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03-25-2013, 08:29 AM
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No way we should give 5 years at 5. 4 at 5 or 5 at 4. Any 20M+ investment in Ribeiro will be a HUGE mistake.

Sell. Get those Morrows.

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03-25-2013, 08:30 AM
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Pump your breaks there. From time to time we've all said some negative things about McPhee, but I don't ever recall anyone comparing him to Glen Sather. I give you Wade Redden, Chris Drury, Scott Gomez etc.
I didn't say anything about McPhee in comparison to Sather.

I was commenting on the "pay the man, worry about the consequences later" philosophy, which is right in Sather's wheel house, as evidenced by the names you listed.

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03-25-2013, 08:38 AM
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http://p.washingtontimes.com/blog/ca...sign-capitals/ Now we know what he wants. I'd give him 6.5+5.5+4.5+3.5=20 million for 4 years for 5 million cap hit, but wouldn't go much farther considering this deal will take him to the 35+ territory which is usually when the dropoff is huge. If he doesn't accept it, trade him for a C prospect or 1st rounder+ with no regrets and make the postseason without him.
Good article. Back in September in bit of a fluff piece/interview with Tamara Ribeiro, his wife she noted the following: “Montreal is a melting pot of cultures which I think is similar in DC. You have museums, art galleries and so many interesting and enriching activities to do. I can’t forget about the amount of restaurants that you can find in the DC area. You can find a Greek restaurant as easy as if you want to eat at an Ethiopian restaurant. You know, there’s so much culture. In Dallas, there was Tex Mex or steak.”

So from the Washington Times piece and comments from his wife (gotta keep the homeland at peace), I believe he has a genuine desire to remain with the Caps. I say get it done.

At some point next season top two lines could be:

Forsberg - Backstrom - Ovechkin
Laich - Ribeiro - Brouwer

Season after that

Forsberg - Backstrom - Ovechkin
Laich - Ribeiro - Kuznetsov

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03-25-2013, 08:40 AM
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That's a nice way to put yourself into salary cap hell while building a mediocre team. See Rangers, New York.
I don't know. Rangers are building their team about great goaltender and defensive squad, they also have very impressive offensive talent. They are hardly mediocre, though obviously underachieving this year.

Our team isn't mediocre as well. Ribeiro, if playing with right linemates, is one of the best 2Cs in the league, and I don't think he's likely to decline a lot, his game isn't based on speed or power.

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03-25-2013, 08:48 AM
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No way we should give 5 years at 5. 4 at 5 or 5 at 4. Any 20M+ investment in Ribeiro will be a HUGE mistake.

Sell. Get those Morrows.
Some may argue, that letting George try to find a better alternative, would be an even bigger mistake. I am still impressed he got Ribs, to be honest.

There is just so little time and space on the ice in the modern game and in part because of that, I am not sold that MJ nor MP are ever going to bring anything close to Ribs skills. And high paid players must produce on the PP, and he does that.

So George would inevitably turn to free agency once again to fill our 2C hole. To get that skill level at the price he wants, he will end up with someone old. If he gets someone younger, it will be more a 3C that can pinch hit as a 2C, but suck on the PP, and are nothing more than depth in the end.

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03-25-2013, 08:55 AM
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I don't know. Rangers are building their team about great goaltender and defensive squad, they also have very impressive offensive talent. They are hardly mediocre, though obviously underachieving this year.

Our team isn't mediocre as well. Ribeiro, if playing with right linemates, is one of the best 2Cs in the league, and I don't think he's likely to decline a lot, his game isn't based on speed or power.
The Rangers have overpaid for their impressive offensive talent, who are now all under-achieving. Now with the raises due to McDonaugh and Stepan, they won't be able to upgrade the roster without moving out some of that talent. Last season was the only season in the last 5 where they haven't been hovering in the 7-9 range in the East. I'd say that's pretty mediocre, overall.

And while Ribeiro's game isn't based on speed and power, it's definitely based on hands and quickness, which are two aspects that tend to decline with age. How many under-sized finesse playmakers can you think of that have aged well into their late 30s? All I've got are Whitney and St. Louis, and maybe Slava Kozlov.

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03-25-2013, 09:15 AM
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And while Ribeiro's game isn't based on speed and power, it's definitely based on hands and quickness, which are two aspects that tend to decline with age. How many under-sized finesse playmakers can you think of that have aged well into their late 30s? All I've got are Whitney and St. Louis, and maybe Slava Kozlov.
And just so we know who makes up your list of examples of similar players who's play did decline significantly as they got into their mid/late 30's?

Also I believe you are a big Weiss fan, what are you willing to offer him or Filppula in the offseason?

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03-25-2013, 09:16 AM
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Ribeiro's game right now is based on an unsustainably high PP sh% (he's at like 50%, the team when he's on the ice is at like 20+%). Let there be no illusions about him having much chance of repeating this type of production again in his career.

Granted, his smarts and his skill would be great to have going forward. if GMGM were somehow able to get him signed for a reasonable deal, cool. I don't see how it happens. Dude's going to get paid, and the team that pays him is going to end up regretting it within about a year.

Personally, my target would be Grabovski. If Nonis undervalues him as much as Carlyle does (and they keep Carlyle) I have a feeling some team will swoop in and take him for peanuts (with the Leafs retaining some of his contract perhaps?)

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03-25-2013, 09:21 AM
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The Rangers have overpaid for their impressive offensive talent, who are now all under-achieving. Now with the raises due to McDonaugh and Stepan, they won't be able to upgrade the roster without moving out some of that talent. Last season was the only season in the last 5 where they haven't been hovering in the 7-9 range in the East. I'd say that's pretty mediocre, overall.
I don't think they overpaid. Looking at top cap hits, you can call most of these contracts overpayments or adequate.
And it's only the 2nd year since they made their big moves. early to judgge.

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And while Ribeiro's game isn't based on speed and power, it's definitely based on hands and quickness, which are two aspects that tend to decline with age. How many under-sized finesse playmakers can you think of that have aged well into their late 30s? All I've got are Whitney and St. Louis, and maybe Slava Kozlov.
Gretzky?

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03-25-2013, 09:23 AM
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I don't think they overpaid. Looking at top cap hits, you can call most of these contracts overpayments or adequate.
And it's only the 2nd year since they made their big moves. early to judgge.


Gretzky?
Richards, Gaborik, and Nash are all overpaid.

Gretzky's kind of a special case, wouldn't you agree?

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03-25-2013, 09:27 AM
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Gretzky's kind of a special case, wouldn't you agree?
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03-25-2013, 09:29 AM
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If he doesn't accept it, trade him for a C prospect or 1st rounder+ with no regrets and make the postseason without him.
No way this team makes the playoffs without Ribeiro. Who's the teams 2C without him? Perreault? Laich? Johansson? Guys like Brouwer, Laich, and Ward aren't going to produce when they don't have Ribeiro or Backstrom centering them. The powerplay would lose a key player, as well.

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03-25-2013, 09:35 AM
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No way this team makes the playoffs without Ribeiro. Who's the teams 2C without him? Perreault? Laich? Johansson? Guys like Brouwer, Laich, and Ward aren't going to produce when they don't have Ribeiro or Backstrom centering them. The powerplay would lose a key player, as well.
Ribeiro gets outscored and outchanced at ES. You don't think they can replace that? (Granted, I don't believe they're a playoff team either way, but for the sake of argument...)

The PP is the big question. I suspect his success (and the luck that's driving it) is more structural than anything. The PP is about getting the puck to Ovi. Nobody else is much of a threat barring a defensive breakdown. Ribeiro has been good at it as the guy on the goalline, but I expect he's not irreplaceable in that role. And with or without him they're primed for a slump since they really don't generate enough chances regularly.

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03-25-2013, 09:36 AM
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Right on cue, the WaPo has an article about Ribs seeking a long term deal.

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Ribeiro, who is in the final year of a five-year, $25 million contract, knows that the next several days could have a significant impact on his future. He is open to the idea of re-signing in Washington, but he’s looking for a five-year deal that would offer stability for him and his family. “I don’t want to move too much. If you can agree to a long term then I’ll be more than happy to stay here. I don’t know if I’m looking for two years and then change place then another two years. I don’t think I want that,” Ribeiro said. “Five years for me is long term. Two, three years I don’t think is long term. I think two, three short term. Four, five, six [is] long term and 10 years like Ovi, that’s a marriage thing.”

With three school-age children, being able to put down roots somewhere and minimize the disruption to their lives is a main concern for Ribeiro. “Family comes first and if I can get a five-year [contract], then I’m 38. I don’t want to move them. I want to stay in a city for at least the next 10 years, until they’re done with high school and go to college,” Ribeiro said. “I don’t want to move them too much throughout school and then especially teenage age, it’s hard if kids move around. For me to be stable somewhere, if we can do that here, I think we’ll be more than happy.”

Ribeiro said the team approached him a month ago to discuss a possible extension, but with the Capitals struggling, he didn’t believe it was the right time to focus on his contract status.

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03-25-2013, 09:42 AM
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Rangers' problem is their coach is horrible at maximizing the abilities of their roster, their center depth is underpowered and they didn't put much effort into rounding out a bottom 6. Had they changed out the coaching and had Richards pull his ass out of his head they'd probably be a contender event the way things are.

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03-25-2013, 09:45 AM
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I'd be fine with a Savard type deal.

6, 7 years at a 4 million cap hit.

Even if he falls off a cliff you can hide him on the roster solely as a PP specialist with that kind of deal, especially since the cap is probably gonna be 75+ by then.

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03-25-2013, 09:50 AM
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2 years? Absolutely. 4 or 5? Couldn't do it.

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03-25-2013, 09:55 AM
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Trade - they simply can't afford a cap hit of ~$5M for him. They have ~$15M in cap space available for 2013-14, with 15 roster guys signed for next year. They'll have to resign Alzner, and it won't be for peanuts this time around, as well as MaJo and Neuvirth (if his RFA rights aren't dealt).

Also, reading his comments in the various articles today where he discusses wanting to stay in one place, my guess is he's looking for a NTC. At that age, with the deal running that long, and with the expected return for a trade (1st minimum), I think it's a no brainer.

(I see the concerns with then having to go find another 2C, assuming JoJo and MP won't cut it - but I'll take that risk rather than being locked into another bad contract.)

Can anyone honestly look at this team now and say they can win the Cup this year with Ribs? If the answer is no, I say look to next year and the future.

edit addition - in today's 30 thoughts, Friedman, indicates the price for Iginla is "good young players, whether at the NHL level or prospects. They are also looking for high draft picks." Ribs has 34 points to Iggy's 22, and has $2M less caphit for full season. [Ribeiro also has a 10 team NTC, whereas Iginla has a full NMC.] Simply put, he is a better player, costs less, and will have more of a market this year. Stands to reason he can draw at least the same return as Iginla, even factoring in the 'character concerns' some fans think their teams have.


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I'd be fine with a Savard type deal.

6, 7 years at a 4 million cap hit.

Even if he falls off a cliff you can hide him on the roster solely as a PP specialist with that kind of deal, especially since the cap is probably gonna be 75+ by then.
The article doesn't really show Ribs talking about money as much as talking about stability. Maybe he signs for 5x5 which may make Caps fans cringe... but is that all that different than 6x4? Would Caps fans be happy with 6x3.5, knowing that his last two years will almost certainly be a Poti like drain on the cap?

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I love ribs so far, and I wouldn't mind signing him, but I agree I'm not sure myself on signing him long term is a good idea. Guess it depends if he wants the kings ransom or not, and looks like that's what its going to be for him.

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give him his 4 or 5 years he sounds like he may give a discount to get his years. If he becomes a cap problem in years 4 or 5 we can trade him or Nylander him.

But at deadline if no deal has been reached will have to trade him and hope we have enough left to still make playoffs

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Gotta do it. 4 would be better than 5....but with no other options in the system and the fact he fits...do it.

Always *****ing about not having a 2nd line center...they finally have one. Does the record indicate that its worth keeping him? Maybe not, but I can't imagine how horrid the team would be without him.

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We all thought the Nylander contract was a problem.

If Ribs becomes a problem, George will make "it" go away. Every team deals with bad contracts and the games go on. Yes, George will still be here.

Just last month, you were probably more worried about Ovi's contract than Ribs. While Ribs may not post strong ES numbers don't forget he is playing with mostly grinders this year, and Ovi who was and is still early in redefining his game, and they had a 4th liner as their LW.

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The article doesn't really show Ribs talking about money as much as talking about stability. Maybe he signs for 5x5 which may make Caps fans cringe... but is that all that different than 6x4? Would Caps fans be happy with 6x3.5, knowing that his last two years will almost certainly be a Poti like drain on the cap?
There's a difference between getting drained by Poti and getting drained by good players.

With Ribeiro, I'd be willing to gamble having him be a drain for 2-3 years if that's a non-crippling drain (4 million or less). Most retirement contracts have that drain be at 6 million + for much longer. The flip side is you may get 3 years of PPG production at 4 million dollars, which is exceptionally beneficial if you're looking to max out and contend. The flip side of getting drained by a Tom Poti would be... having an average #3/#4D. Quite a different reward for the risk. Ribeiro is of pretty much the only age where you can optimize what's left of the retirement contract cap benefit to the max.

If he's willing to take a cap hit of 4 or less I'd sign him til he's 40 and put everything on the line for a cup within the next 3 years.

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I'd much rather trade him and use the proceeds on a big trade in the offseason. Thornton, Marleau, Briere, maybe even Koivu.

Our division is going to be murder moving forward. They need to think bigger than a 36 year old power play specialist.

If he will take two years I'd think about it.

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