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04-21-2013, 12:42 PM
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That is why I don't like to pick teams for this thread - the big ice. I just don't know who I would place on the team. I would have said Perry but I know he did not do well at the WC. Getzlaf is great but perhaps too big and slow. I won't even read posts that include Iginla.

Anyway, I am sure HC will learn from Torino and find the right mix. Like I said, there is no shortage of talent up front.

Whatever roster 86Habs suggests, then that will be the best one. Actually we picked almost identical rosters except maybe 2 players different and a few in different positions, but when I thought about, I just like his roster better. JackSlater picks a good roster as well...everything else on here I just shake my head at and go oh brother.

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Whatever roster 86Habs suggests, then that will be the best one. Actually we picked almost identical rosters except maybe 2 players different and a few in different positions, but when I thought about, I just like his roster better. JackSlater picks a good roster as well...everything else on here I just shake my head at and go oh brother.
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Whatever roster 86Habs suggests, then that will be the best one...
I looked for it but could not find it. Please repost.

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The team has to be fast and smart. I can live with losing (altho it will hurt like hell) but I don't want to lose as a result of us :

1) Being too slow (like we were against the Americans in Sochi, |Game 1);
2) Having poor goaltending (again, see game one against the U.S.)
3) Being stupid - see Todd Bertuzzi in Turin.

We will always second guess who is sent (before and after the games) but we need to ensure the picks are smart and suited for the big ice.

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I looked for it but could not find it. Please repost.
in the thread previous to this one part 4. towards the end I believe... not a roster in one post but a series of posts.

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It's too early to freak out over Price. A crappy week or two doesn't mean that much. These threads are often filled with people exaggerating the significance of small sample size phenomena, both the bad (Price recently) and the good (Carter a few weeks ago, Getzlaf). The playoffs will mean far more for him than the last two weeks, and the following regular season will mean even more.

This is the lowest point for Canadian goaltending since at least the early 80s, if not beyond. Sending out Liut and Fuhr isn't quite as imposing as a Roy/Brodeur combo from 15 years ago. Still, if the other 20 skaters on the team play to their potential there shouldn't be anything to worry about.

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It's too early to freak out over Price. A crappy week or two doesn't mean that much. These threads are often filled with people exaggerating the significance of small sample size phenomena, both the bad (Price recently) and the good (Carter a few weeks ago, Getzlaf). The playoffs will mean far more for him than the last two weeks, and the following regular season will mean even more.

This is the lowest point for Canadian goaltending since at least the early 80s, if not beyond. Sending out Liut and Fuhr isn't quite as imposing as a Roy/Brodeur combo from 15 years ago. Still, if the other 20 skaters on the team play to their potential there shouldn't be anything to worry about.
Ya you're right...no need to overreact; I'm prone to it, in part it's my Irish temper and most importantly makes for much more entertaining discussion.

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Ya you're right...no need to overreact; I'm prone to it, in part it's my Irish temper and most importantly makes for much more entertaining discussion.
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I am so bothered that the Americans, who have Derek Stepan as their 3rd leading scorer, are not required to play in the relegation side - in Sochi. I mean, what was that old joke when we were kids?...

"If I had a 3rd leading scorer like Derek Stepan, I'd shave my dog's butt and teach it to walk backwards."

Makes me ill. On paper, we would outscore these guys 10-1. All we need is goaltending.

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It is hard to argue with that. Hell, I would go with an AHL goalie if I knew he could produce a "B" game.

As for Fleury, I think his playoff last year and WJR in 2004(?) are enough to exclude him from the conversation. I don't want that kind of meltdown in a one game elimination.

We just need someone who can keep the games close and let the Forwards and D do the rest - just like 2010.


So you don't wanna Fleury, who's won the Stanley Cup, in the conversation, but you do Reimer even he has never played in the play-offs.

If Fleury has great play-offs this year and starts good the next season, I don't see any reason to keep him out of the team canada. Of course, if the Pens and Fleury are eliminated early, with Fleury's bad play, then it will be a big reason to leave him home.

I like Reimer, but he has to show something in the play-offs. The same for Crawford, Holtby, Elliott and Price. Luongo will be in Sochi. Plus Price or Fleury, at least one of them. And the third one...who knows.

I don't like the garbage about Luongo and his last olympic play. He won the olympics, he played good against Russia and US, I don't see any serious reason, why you guys blame him for that tournament. He alowed 2 goals in the gold medal game, wow. That's horrible.

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We need to be thankful that we only need one. One half decent net minder and we could easily win Gold. Or, look at it from another perspective...

We could be like Team US and have a half dozen goalies (better than ours) and have no place to play them - they only have one team too.

Also, our friends to the south have not been ripping up the league on either the Offensive side (only Kane, Kessel and Stepan are in the Top 30 of scoring - and only Kane would make Team Canada) or on D - Suter has been GREAT but the rest have not been as good as their names.

Like I said, if our goalie can keep it every game close, we will be more than fine in Sochi.
Agreed.

I'm not too wory about the goaltending. Sure it could be better than that, but we should be ok with this.

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It's too early to freak out over Price. A crappy week or two doesn't mean that much. These threads are often filled with people exaggerating the significance of small sample size phenomena, both the bad (Price recently) and the good (Carter a few weeks ago, Getzlaf). The playoffs will mean far more for him than the last two weeks, and the following regular season will mean even more.

This is the lowest point for Canadian goaltending since at least the early 80s, if not beyond. Sending out Liut and Fuhr isn't quite as imposing as a Roy/Brodeur combo from 15 years ago. Still, if the other 20 skaters on the team play to their potential there shouldn't be anything to worry about.
That's right. I remember when I said I wanted Thornton and Marleau in Sochi ....whoops...never said that . You're right, the play-offs and the beginning of the next season will be far more important.

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Steven Stamkos - Sidney Crosby - Claude Giroux


Eric Staal - Jonathan Toews - Rick Nash


Brad Marchand - Patrice Bergeron - Martin St. Louis


Taylor Hall - Ryan Getzlaf - Jordan Eberle


John Tavares


Defencemen:


Duncan Keith - Brent Seabrook


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So you don't wanna Fleury, who's won the Stanley Cup, in the conversation, but you do Reimer even he has never played in the play-offs.

If Fleury has great play-offs this year and starts good the next season, I don't see any reason to keep him out of the team canada. Of course, if the Pens and Fleury are eliminated early, with Fleury's bad play, then it will be a big reason to leave him home.

I like Reimer, but he has to show something in the play-offs. The same for Crawford, Holtby, Elliott and Price. Luongo will be in Sochi. Plus Price or Fleury, at least one of them. And the third one...who knows.

I don't like the garbage about Luongo and his last olympic play. He won the olympics, he played good against Russia and US, I don't see any serious reason, why you guys blame him for that tournament. He alowed 2 goals in the gold medal game, wow. That's horrible.
Re : Fleury

I will never forgive him for the World Juniors a decade back. NEVER!!!

Re : Luongo

I have watched the 3rd period of the Gold Medal game many times. The guy was an accident waiting to happen. He could not hold on to the puck. All of Canada held their breath everytime the Americans entered the zone.

Yes Luongo won. Yes he was not horrible. Yes he has nice hair. No I do not want him in goal for Canada in 2014.

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Steven Stamkos - Sidney Crosby - Claude Giroux


Eric Staal - Jonathan Toews - Rick Nash


Brad Marchand - Patrice Bergeron - Martin St. Louis


Taylor Hall - Ryan Getzlaf - Jordan Eberle


John Tavares


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Duncan Keith - Brent Seabrook


P.K. Subban - Shea Weber


Kris Letang - Alex Pietrangelo


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Martin Brodeur, Carey Price, & Marc-Andre Fleury
As far as the pics go... I rikey. I rikey, arot.

As far as the picks go...

- No Brad Marchand. We do not need a "Little Ball of Hate" taking a bad penalty.

- No Jordan Eberle. We will forever love the kid but we can do better.

- No Marty. We don't want that "Old Person" smell on the player's cloths after a 20 hour flight to Sochi.

Other than that, not bad.

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^^^^

I know that we are not as deep as we were in 2010 on D but...

That is a young, fast, talented group on the back end. Impressive!


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As far as the pics go... I rikey. I rikey, arot.

As far as the picks go...

- No Brad Marchand. We do not need a "Little Ball of Hate" taking a bad penalty.

- No Jordan Eberle. We will forever love the kid but we can do better.

- No Marty. We don't want that "Old Person" smell on the player's cloths after a 20 hour flight to Sochi.

Other than that, not bad.
You beat me to it man

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It's too early to freak out over Price. A crappy week or two doesn't mean that much. These threads are often filled with people exaggerating the significance of small sample size phenomena, both the bad (Price recently) and the good (Carter a few weeks ago, Getzlaf). The playoffs will mean far more for him than the last two weeks, and the following regular season will mean even more.

This is the lowest point for Canadian goaltending since at least the early 80s, if not beyond. Sending out Liut and Fuhr isn't quite as imposing as a Roy/Brodeur combo from 15 years ago. Still, if the other 20 skaters on the team play to their potential there shouldn't be anything to worry about.
Yes, I totally agree. Though as a Habs fan, I'm worried about this team going into the playoffs. As I mentioned in an earlier post Price still has an inside track on one of the top two jobs, I've got to believe, and it will be up to a guy like Reimer, Crawford, Fleury, or maybe even Elliott to knock him out of that position or earn the #3 job, which they can probably do with an exceptional playoff run. The goaltending situation is still very much fluid, IMO. And in my view the summer camp will have very little bearing on who our 3 goaltenders will eventually be.

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Yes, I totally agree. Though as a Habs fan, I'm worried about this team going into the playoffs. As I mentioned in an earlier post Price still has an inside track on one of the top two jobs, I've got to believe, and it will be up to a guy like Reimer, Crawford, Fleury, or maybe even Elliott to knock him out of that position or earn the #3 job, which they can probably do with an exceptional playoff run. The goaltending situation is still very much fluid, IMO. And in my view the summer camp will have very little bearing on who our 3 goaltenders will eventually be.
Yeah, I can't imagine the camp will be overly significant when it comes to goaltenders. The playoffs are going to be significant to HC, for better or worse, and the next regular season will be important. Even though it seems very wide open, I can't imagine anyone outside of Price, Luongo, Ward or Fleury being given a legitimate shot at the starting job. No other goaltenders have the pedigree in the NHL or internationally, and HC is not going to just bring whoever happens to be playing the best in December 2013.

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Haha. Brilliant.
LOL! He's joking... right????

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