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03-19-2013, 09:52 AM
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Nassau Coliseum planning to downsize post-Islanders

Nassau Colliseum is being downsized with the intention being to attract an AHL team/NBAd league team to fill dates. Guy ruunning it is Bruce Ratner, same developer of Barclays where the Isles will move and Nets play. A rumored possibility is the Tigers move to Nassau, selling thier lease obligations to the Rangers. The Isles play at Nassau till 2015 so the lease length makes sense.

MOD: http://libn.com/2013/03/14/the-poll-...-the-coliseum/

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Nassau Colliseum is being downsized with the intention being to attract an AHL team/NBAd league team to fill dates. Guy ruunning it is Bruce Ratner, same developer of Barclays where the Isles will move and Nets play. A rumored possibility is the Tigers move to Nassau, selling thier lease obligations to the Rangers. The Isles play at Nassau till 2015 so the lease length makes sense.
That's not a bad idea. Would keep the arena around as well. Could probably reduce the capacity by half and do a refurb at the same time.

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The plans, based on recommendations by Forest City Ratner Companies chief Bruce Ratner, include “right-sizing” the Coliseum into a 8,000- to 12,000-seat arena that would attract smaller acts.

Nassau County released a request for proposals to firms to develop the aging arena...

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Nassau Colliseum is being downsized with the intention being to attract an AHL team/NBAd league team to fill dates. Guy ruunning it is Bruce Ratner, same developer of Barclays where the Isles will move and Nets play. A rumored possibility is the Tigers move to Nassau, selling thier lease obligations to the Rangers. The Isles play at Nassau till 2015 so the lease length makes sense.

MOD: http://libn.com/2013/03/14/the-poll-...-the-coliseum/

(Also split out to own thread)
Would love to finally see a Sound Tigers game. Pretty cool idea but I thought the Tigers are doing well financially in CONN.

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Very good idea, and the lease structure seems good to spread the risk and still get investment.

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Good idea to downsize. There's enough 15-20K size arenas in the NY area.

This can be a good niche

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Nassau Colliseum is being downsized with the intention being to attract an AHL team/NBAd league team to fill dates. Guy ruunning it is Bruce Ratner, same developer of Barclays where the Isles will move and Nets play. A rumored possibility is the Tigers move to Nassau, selling thier lease obligations to the Rangers. The Isles play at Nassau till 2015 so the lease length makes sense.

MOD: http://libn.com/2013/03/14/the-poll-...-the-coliseum/

(Also split out to own thread)
never going to happen, Hipster.....

Bridgeport has a longer-term lease w/ its own arena than the Islanders ever have w/ Nassau/Suffolk, you keep forgetting that's why the Islanders are going to BARCLAYS in 2015...

2) why would the Rangers BUY Bridgeport's lease, when GS just won the operating rights to XL and kept the Whale there until 2018, if not longer.

3) same move for a D-League team, the only way one moves into that facility, and if it were the Nets, why would they leave Mass Mutual Center IN Springfield (transferred from Anaheim) for LI, If Nassau/Suffolk voted no on the Islanders, it's better to build a new arena, then modify or downsize an existing one.

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Makes sense, I suppose. Cutting it down like a razee might very well make it a somewhat attractive minor league venue, especially given the size of the market.

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include “right-sizing” the Coliseum into a 8,000- to 12,000-seat arena that would attract smaller acts.
Smaller acts technically already play in the summer at Jones Beach. Though I guess they could attract these smaller acts in the winter.

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The Whale's lease on XL Center runs out in 2018---could the Rangers move the team to the island so that it's easier to monitor the farm? This takes off the idea of the Leafs having the Marlies in Toronto.

I wonder if MSG would ever consider making an offer to buy the Coliseum with the intent to move the Whale there.

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The financially struggling Albany Devils could move to Bridgeport if the Sound Tigers are now going to be the Long Island Ducks or something. It will help the Islanders solidify their fanbase on Long Island while establishing a Devils presence in Connecticut, a win-win.

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The Whale's lease is for 3 years, expiring after the 2015-16 season. There's also a mutual option for a 2 year extension after the 3rd year.

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There have been so many "plans" for that site the past 15 years, that I'll believe it when I see it. Knowing LI politics however, I fully expect that site to look like one of the sets of The Walking Dead by 2018.

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The Whale's lease on XL Center runs out in 2018---could the Rangers move the team to the island so that it's easier to monitor the farm? This takes off the idea of the Leafs having the Marlies in Toronto.

I wonder if MSG would ever consider making an offer to buy the Coliseum with the intent to move the Whale there.
Told the Tigers games and said the Rangers want to move the Whale to Bridgeport because they don't like the XL and it's closer to NYC.


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a few years ago when i was in NY on business and was dealing with guys from MSG, they told me that the biggest problem with Nassau colliseum was what you did not see unless you went into the under workings of the building. The told me that the building was stuck together with duct tape and luck. One guy worked at Nassau for a few years and it sounded like neither side was putting the proper money into the building to keep it running

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Can't be any worse than what you don't see at the concession stands in MSG.

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Nassau Colliseum is being downsized with the intention being to attract an AHL team/NBAd league team to fill dates. Guy ruunning it is Bruce Ratner, same developer of Barclays where the Isles will move and Nets play. A rumored possibility is the Tigers move to Nassau, selling thier lease obligations to the Rangers. The Isles play at Nassau till 2015 so the lease length makes sense.

MOD: http://libn.com/2013/03/14/the-poll-...-the-coliseum/

(Also split out to own thread)

No mention of Monti, the developer who won the bid to develop the property several months ago.

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Hard to believe someone plans to still operate this arena and not raze it.

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fun fact: the Grateful Dead played Nassau Coliseum 35 times.

I bet there's some tie-died ghosts there.

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Told the Tigers games and said the Rangers want to move the Whale to Bridgeport because they don't like the XL and it's closer to NYC.
the lease goes to 2022 for BST per agreement, jeben, I don't see the Rangers heading to Bridgeport when its 70 miles now as is between XL and MSG.... it's the reason GS won the right to operate XL and retained the Whale as its top priority

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the lease goes to 2022 for BST per agreement, jeben, I don't see the Rangers heading to Bridgeport when its 70 miles now as is between XL and MSG.... it's the reason GS won the right to operate XL and retained the Whale as its top priority
It's quite a bit longer than 70 miles by road to Hartford from Manhattan. Hartford vs. Bridgeport is the difference between a 2+ hour sojurn in traffic on I-95 and an hour from Grand Central on Metro-North. Much easier for the Rangers coaching/scouting staff to check in on the AHL franchise in Bridgeport.

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It's quite a bit longer than 70 miles by road to Hartford from Manhattan. Hartford vs. Bridgeport is the difference between a 2+ hour sojurn in traffic on I-95 and an hour from Grand Central on Metro-North. Much easier for the Rangers coaching/scouting staff to check in on the AHL franchise in Bridgeport.
why would MSG Bother w/ Nassau/Suffolk if the Islanders gave up and were rejected by said counties on a replacement/ updated arena, Marty? The Rangers selected Hartford because of its proximity to MSG, not Bridgeport.

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The Rangers selected Hartford because of its proximity to MSG, not Bridgeport.
But yet, Bridgeport is still an hour closer to MSG.

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why would MSG Bother w/ Nassau/Suffolk if the Islanders gave up and were rejected by said counties on a replacement/ updated arena, Marty?
Hutch you're all over the place here. You're talking apples and oranges. The whole point of this thread is Nassau has plans to repurpose the Coliseum into a moderately sized arena which will become capable of supporting an AHL franchise.

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And once again for those who seem uninformed, MSG signed a 3 year deal with Global Spectrum with a mutual option for an additional 2 years.

The lease does not run through 2018 it runs through 2016.

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