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03-22-2013, 08:33 AM
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Paul Gaustad was a center, much taller than Talbot. He has way more value than an energy right wing.
Talbot is a center who sometimes plays wings, but I do agree that Gaustad carried a bit more value because of his faceoff ability.

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03-22-2013, 08:45 AM
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Is he really just a fourth liner at this point?

He's at 2M$ in 2013-14, 1,25M$ in 2014-15 and 1M$ in 2015-16, not bad for a fourth liner, great for a third liner.

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Is he really just a fourth liner at this point?

He's at 2M$ in 2013-14, 1,25M$ in 2014-15 and 1M$ in 2015-16, not bad for a fourth liner, great for a third liner.
He's all over. I'd call him a 3rd liner personally. He has the offensive output.

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03-22-2013, 09:15 AM
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Paul Gaustad was a center, much taller than Talbot. He has way more value than an energy right wing.
True but he was a pending ufa. Getting a player for 3 plus years versus a few months increases the cost.

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03-22-2013, 09:20 AM
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Is he really just a fourth liner at this point?

He's at 2M$ in 2013-14, 1,25M$ in 2014-15 and 1M$ in 2015-16, not bad for a fourth liner, great for a third liner.
He is a 3rd liner that is great on the PK. With Philly's depth at C, he has played mostly on the wing. But he can play C as well.

He plays 15 min a game...3:30 of that on the PK
And for those saying he is overpaid, all I can say is WOW. 4 out of 7 years he had over 11 goals in a season. Look at Brandon Prust....signed for $2.5 mill and is a 3rd liner. Max's salary is no issue.
He is only 29. So it's not like he is 35 with a few years on his contract.

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03-22-2013, 09:45 AM
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Is he really just a fourth liner at this point?

He's at 2M$ in 2013-14, 1,25M$ in 2014-15 and 1M$ in 2015-16, not bad for a fourth liner, great for a third liner.
If he's playing well he can do a job as a 3rd line winger, I don't think he's good enough to be a 3rd line centre.

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03-22-2013, 09:51 AM
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Not sure if this has been posted, but Bill Meltzer addresses the Talbot rumor:

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With all due respect to Ek, whom I consider a close friend, that probability assessment strikes me as being way off the mark. While the Flyers will no doubt be willing to listen to offers for most every player on their roster (including those who are not impending unrestricted free agents and those who have no trade/ no movement clauses), the probability of Talbot actually getting moved this year is quite low unless some team offers a greatly inflated return for the role player.

I'd say it's more like a 90 percent that Talbot stays put this year, and then you can divide up the remaining 10 percent chance he gets dealt among the clubs kicking tires with Philly.

Start by asking this question: The Flyers' poor two months of hockey aside, does Talbot still figure to fit in Philly's plans for next year in his current role? The answer is absolutely yes. Coming off his career season last year, Talbot was firmly entrenched in the Flyers' long-term plans entering this season. That has not changed...

...Even so, no team is so keen on Talbot that they're going to make the Flyers a grossly inflated offer that would make it a no-brainer to deal Talbot. The ONLY shot at something like that happening would be if Talbot were packaged with other pieces a team would desire from Philly, such as impending UFAs Simon Gagne and Ruslan Fedotenko. In that event, the trade return would be correspondingly inflated to the point where the Flyers might get something that will help them now and in the future in return for sending multiple playoff-proven veterans who already own Cup rings....
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...wards/45/50154

Meltzer also offers a fairly extensive (and persuasive) explanation as to why Talbot holds value to the Flyers going forward, is still a vital piece of the team's plans, etc.

Probably worth a read.

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03-22-2013, 09:54 AM
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I would certainly be bummed to see Talbot go. He's one of a kind, yet inconsistent.

I think Talbot can be a dangerous player if lined up with the right teammates. He is a work horse, hussels, and always goes hard in on the forecheck. Even when the chances of success on a play are extremely low he works extremely hard and keeps the pace up. If he could be more consistent he could really help a team out that is hungry on the forecheck and looking for someone to kill off PK's.

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03-22-2013, 11:06 AM
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Is he really just a fourth liner at this point?

He's at 2M$ in 2013-14, 1,25M$ in 2014-15 and 1M$ in 2015-16, not bad for a fourth liner, great for a third liner.
He is NOT a 3rd line center under any circumstances and he is not a good third line winger, although he may do there depending on what you expect of your third liners offensively. He is a good fourth liner who PKs.

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03-22-2013, 11:17 AM
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Not sure if this has been posted, but Bill Meltzer addresses the Talbot rumor:


http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...wards/45/50154

Meltzer also offers a fairly extensive (and persuasive) explanation as to why Talbot holds value to the Flyers going forward, is still a vital piece of the team's plans, etc.

Probably worth a read.
Hmmm. Sounds exactly like what I said...

I wonder if various posters here will change their tone now that Meltzer has basically said that Talbot won't get moved barring something better than just a 2nd round pick.

And the HFBoard drama patrol is floating around here proposing late 2nds and 3rds "at most."

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Talbot is one of the few guys while on paper isn't producing is not someone I want moved. You need solid guys in your locker room and hangers on the board. Unless you can get a second round pick or include him with something to attain a Demers or youngish defensemen. Keep Mad Max otherwise.

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Why The Montreal Canadiens Need to Acquire Max Talbot
http://thehockeywriters.com/why-the-...re-max-talbot/

My take from the Canadiens' point of view.

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Why The Montreal Canadiens Need to Acquire Max Talbot
http://thehockeywriters.com/why-the-...re-max-talbot/

My take from the Canadiens' point of view.
Talbot would help you guys out a lot in the playoffs, and I'd like to see Montreal come out of the East ahead of Boston and Pittsburgh.

But like Meltzer said, the Flyers would need good value in return since he's signed for three more years.

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He is NOT a 3rd line center under any circumstances and he is not a good third line winger, although he may do there depending on what you expect of your third liners offensively. He is a good fourth liner who PKs.
Have you actually watched him play???? Why do you undervalue him so much?

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03-22-2013, 12:42 PM
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Have you actually watched him play???? Why do you undervalue him so much?
I believe he is a Penguins fan, so yes, he has seen him play.

But he doesn't seem to be much of a fan.

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He is NOT a 3rd line center under any circumstances and he is not a good third line winger, although he may do there depending on what you expect of your third liners offensively. He is a good fourth liner who PKs.
Over his career...he has AVERAGED over 12 goals a year all while contibuting good defence and excellent penalty killing.

The 12 goal average would have him at #193 in the league(last year). The top 180 would be 1st and 2nd liners right?(30 teams x 3=90 1st liners, 90 2nd liners). So he has averaged being JUST out of the top 2 lines in production wise...while playing good D. So how you can say he isn't a 3rd liner is a farce. In fact, he has produced in the top 84% of 3rd liners for his career.

Just sayin'

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03-22-2013, 12:59 PM
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Paul Gaustad was a center, much taller than Talbot. He has way more value than an energy right wing.
Not to mention he's a faceoff ace and Talbot's...poor in the circle would be the charitable way to put it.


I'm mildly astounded that anybody thinks an undersized 4th line, 10-goal forward with a ton of tread on the tires can bring back a top 4 puck moving defenseman. Columbus had to trade Jeff Carter to get one of those and another time had to move a former 4th overall pick, Dallas had to trade James Neal, St Louis had to trade a former first overall pick, Anaheim had to trade Chris Kunitz, Calgary and Tampa had to pony up about $6 million per in free agency etc, etc

Talbot has a fraction of the value that any of these pieces have. Sure a lot of teams could use him, but he's far from a critical piece and with 4 more years on his deal? With that guy's game? Raise your hand if you think he'll be worth $2 million at 33.

2nd round pick, top 4 PMD...for a small 4th line center who kills penalties...these are pipe dreams.

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I'd offer Philly either Matt D'Agostini or one of our 2ds this year, their choice.
I love seeing a post like this especially after the guy has been moved and value is more cemented.

Talbot at the deadline will fetch a 2nd or maybe more. He's a solid playoff warrior and with the Flyers his offense really came to the forefront. With the Pens, he was injured a lot and then his final year he is healthy and played fairly well but the Pens decided to go another direction, mostly because I think Talbot wanted a long term deal and Shero doesn't commit to long term deals with his bottom 6 players (2-3yrs max, Talbot got 5yrs with Philly).

Boston could be interested, I think Kelly is out long term no?

But really, a lot of playoff teams could be (count the pens out of being interested though, we have Sutter-Jeffrey-Vitale as bottom 6 centers), Vancouver could be at the top of this list, all I hear is how much they miss Malhotra in the bottom 6, well, this is a guy that could fix that, no?

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Not to mention he's a faceoff ace and Talbot's...poor in the circle would be the charitable way to put it.


I'm mildly astounded that anybody thinks an undersized 4th line, 10-goal forward with a ton of tread on the tires can bring back a top 4 puck moving defenseman. Columbus had to trade Jeff Carter to get one of those and another time had to move a former 4th overall pick, Dallas had to trade James Neal, St Louis had to trade a former first overall pick, Anaheim had to trade Chris Kunitz, Calgary and Tampa had to pony up about $6 million per in free agency etc, etc

Talbot has a fraction of the value that any of these pieces have. Sure a lot of teams could use him, but he's far from a critical piece and with 4 more years on his deal? With that guy's game? Raise your hand if you think he'll be worth $2 million at 33.

2nd round pick, top 4 PMD...for a small 4th line center who kills penalties...these are pipe dreams.
Read above friend.
He is a 3rd liner...and upper tier. And he is a winger.

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03-22-2013, 01:33 PM
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moen + weber for talbot ?

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Read above friend.
He is a 3rd liner...and upper tier. And he is a winger.
His most frequent linemate this season is Zac Rinaldo and he's taken the 4th most faceoffs on the team, meaning he's being deployed as a center, but less frequently than exactly 3 other guys.

Talbot does bounce around a lineup, but this season he's been deployed most frequently as a 4th line center by Philadelphia (unless you're trying to tell me that Read and Couturier constitutes 2 parts of a fourth line).

And no, upper-tier third liners, which Talbot isn't, produce more than 12 goals on average per year, while consistently posting a terrible faceoff clip.

He IS an excellent PK specialist, but those are a lot easier to find than top 4 PMD, which require the type of return I've already noted above.

Talbot <<<< James Neal, Eric Johnson, $6 million per year, Jeff Carter, etc etc ~ top 4 PMD

I don't think you could move 2 of him for one of those

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His most frequent linemate this season is Zac Rinaldo and he's taken the 4th most faceoffs on the team, meaning he's being deployed as a center, but less frequently than exactly 3 other guys.

Talbot does bounce around a lineup, but this season he's been deployed most frequently as a 4th line center by Philadelphia (unless you're trying to tell me that Read and Couturier constitutes 2 parts of a fourth line).

Talbot <<<< James Neal, Eric Johnson, $6 million per year, Jeff Carter, etc etc ~ top 4 PMD

I don't think you could move 2 of him for one of those
Consider the forward depth on his team. It's a lot better than that of most teams.

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I'd be honestly surprised if Talbot would fetch more than a second rounder. UFA or not UFA, this guy is nothing special. I'd like to see him in a habs uniforum tho, he'd be nice on the 4rth line but he's no 6'5 center P.Gaustad or 20-goal scorer A.Kostitsyn(who got a 2nd and a 5th in a shallow draft).

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$1,75M cap hit for borderline 29-year old third/fourth liner is bit too much in my opinion. For playoff team looking to add depth he would do.

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His most frequent linemate this season is Zac Rinaldo and he's taken the 4th most faceoffs on the team, meaning he's being deployed as a center, but less frequently than exactly 3 other guys.

Talbot does bounce around a lineup, but this season he's been deployed most frequently as a 4th line center by Philadelphia (unless you're trying to tell me that Read and Couturier constitutes 2 parts of a fourth line).

And no, upper-tier third liners, which Talbot isn't, produce more than 12 goals on average per year, while consistently posting a terrible faceoff clip.

He IS an excellent PK specialist, but those are a lot easier to find than top 4 PMD, which require the type of return I've already noted above.

Talbot <<<< James Neal, Eric Johnson, $6 million per year, Jeff Carter, etc etc ~ top 4 PMD
I don't think you could move 2 of him for one of those
Totally agree on the bolded.
However...the fact that the 180 top forwards are 1st and secondliners, him being at 193 would be a 3rd liner if he averages 12 goals(a total that he has gotten or broken 4 times)
And I do agree that he would not bring back a top 4 d-man. I only argue that he is a 3rd liner...not a 4th liner

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