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03-26-2013, 05:10 PM
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This part is the part that is so surprising, if not frustrating. It's guys who have been here that are struggling. We're used to new stars coming and flopping from the 98-04 era.
I guess its just so much easier to say its "the system's" fault or the coach's fault than admitting your most important players just stink at this time.

It would also be a lot easier to handle, and there'd be a lot more reason for hope, if there was 52 games left instead of 18.

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03-26-2013, 05:51 PM
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1. Suggest replacing Stepan as second line center with Jussi Jokinen.
2. Watch Stepan produce consistently.
3. Pretend that Jussi Jokinen getting waived somehow supports step 1.
4. Profit.
Can I get that with the underpants gnomes song from South Park?

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03-26-2013, 05:58 PM
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If you have a goaltender like Lundqvist, it makes more statistical sense to build a high scoring, offensively minded club than a defensive, shell club.

That's my take on it. If we could get Henrik better than 3 goals a game it wouldn't matter too much if we allowed a few more chances.
Careful, Fitzy, careful. You start repeating stuff I've been saying, and the open minded crowd may come after you too.

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03-26-2013, 06:00 PM
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Logically, the more shots on goal we allow, and get as a consequence, the greater the difference becomes between Henrik and lesser goaltenders. If the shots are 40-40, statistically we have a better shot than if they were 20-20.

Not a proven system, but I think they may want to look for an offensive coach next season if we bust out this year.
It's not just this.
In trying to move some D for offense, the idea was enough dominant forwards could keep more of our game in the opposition zone.

THAT is HUGE in terms of keeping scoring down.

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03-26-2013, 06:03 PM
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The Rangers didn't add salary in 2010-11 when they had all of those free agents(Callahan,Dubinsky,Anisimov,Sauer and Boyle) to re-sign that summer plus sign Richards. The cap went up from $59.4M in 10-11 to $64.3M for 11-12. Now the cap is set at $64.3M. Need to re-sign McDonagh,Hagelin and Stepan. The Rangers claimed Hamrlik on waivers because he is not owed any money past this season. The Rangers have nearly $54M committed for next season. Replace Boyle at $1.7M with Miller at $1.2M. Miller is the 3rd line center. Lindberg at $760,000 is the 4th line center. Replacing Boyle with Jokinen at $3M is a waste when you have Miller ready for that spot. Miller is better in the middle. Torts is reluctant to use Miller in the middle with the short season. Lindberg at $760,000 and Fasth at $900,000 equals Boyle at $1.7M. Boyle should be moved this summer. Pyatt too.
RB, I'm so glad to hear you saying some of this stuff I've been sayin for a while. Thanks.

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03-26-2013, 06:06 PM
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You know what the common denominators of all the rangers troubles are Torts reluctance to do this, he's not a Torts guy , Torts doesn't trust him . This isn't a team because Torts alienates over plays and mis manages everything .
This times a gazillion!
PS -- Dorado, you too? All of a sudden, everybody is agreein w/stuff I said all year, and got pilloried for....

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03-26-2013, 06:08 PM
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Truth.

Implementing a new breakout system(in of itself)is probably a couple weeks. Rangers just don't have the time.

Torts wasted this season trying to hit a square peg in a round hole with his system.
And who should we blame, hold accountable for that? Come on, you guys, you can say it, ya know ya wanna!!!

Indulge me and Dorado

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03-26-2013, 06:14 PM
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You're just complaining though with no solution. You can't just find long-term solutions for a bottom 6 over night. They ****ed up royally in letting Prust go.

While i don't disagree with your band-aid analogy, we can't stand pat right now. We still have a chance to make the playoffs. Our bottom 6 is a disaster. While a band-aid sucks you can't keep putting the same guys out there. The option is to go for Zucc, call up Kreider, whatever, change is needed.

And for what its worth. How many teams have a bottom six that doesn't constantly change?
I really do want to agree w/you, but since there is the reality of the cap, I'm not sure we could have gotten near the huge paydirt he got from Montreal.

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03-26-2013, 06:18 PM
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Any fan who's been a fan for a long time wants Sather gone. Fact is, it's not going to happen, until he either gets too old, too sick, or dies. So I'm being realistic with what could happen instead of just complaining about something that we all know, won't.
I agree that there is room to improve on Sather.
However, the real problem is that until recently we didn't have Gord Clark to translate draft picks into real gold. We are only just catching up next year presumably w/Fast + Lindberg joining.

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03-26-2013, 06:31 PM
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I don't know how true the Winnipeg interest in Gabby rumors were, but if they are true, I want Trouba.

Being a U of M student, I got to watch him live every single game, and he is the absolute real deal.

Great hockey IQ, plays at a mature level, defensively solid, hits like an absolute truck, plays with a mean/vengeful streak, and has more offensive talent ALREADY than anyone on our team (forwards included). He would actually be the fix to our PP, as his shot is his biggest asset (but in addition he'd still be instantly the best playmaker on our team). He's American (which I don't give a crap about, but it seems the NYR brass does), developed in the NCAA under legendary coach Red Berenson (Hagelin, Nieves), and he's a righty.

The fact that he doesn't have NHL experience just makes me happy that he'd actually be considered in a trade for Gabby.

If we could get a 2nd/3rd line tweener and Trouba for Gabby, I'd take it and run, and I am one of the bigger Gabby supporters on this board.

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03-26-2013, 09:11 PM
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What would LA want for Stoll? Clearly not Gaborik, their cap situation simply cannot allow that.

I'm only asking because, as mentioned here, our scouts have been watching them for a while now.

Stepan-Richards-Stoll is also the center depth I'd love to have entering the playoffs.

He also could possibly kill 2 of our needs (big RH shot on the PP and faceoff wins/grit).

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03-26-2013, 09:17 PM
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I think the best move would be Gaborik for Stoll +

I would hope they could get Clifford + pick as well. Would love that deal.

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03-26-2013, 09:23 PM
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I think the best move would be Gaborik for Stoll +

I would hope they could get Clifford + pick as well. Would love that deal.
I think there's less than a 0% chance they take Gaborik. Lombardi is perhaps the only GM Slats can't (overly) beat in a trade. Plus, their cap situation is arguably worse than ours heading into next season already. Adding Gaborik gives them a nightmare.

That being said, I'd love Stoll+Clifford+3rd for Gaborik.

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Kreider-Richards-Callahan
Miller-Stoll-MZA
Clifford-Boyle-Asham

I'm certainly more comfortable with that lineup as opposed to ours now.

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03-26-2013, 10:03 PM
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Would like to see this:

Carl Hagelin - Derek Stepan - Rick Nash
Jesper Fast/Chris Kreider - Brad Richards - Marian Gaborik
Chris Kreider/Jesper Fast - Jussi Jokinen - Ryan Callahan
Mats Zuccarello - Brian Boyle - Rafi Torres
Darroll Powe, Arron Asham

Waive Gilroy
Sign Jokinen ( seriously doubt he makes it to us though)
Pyatt plus AHLer (Wilson?) for Torres and a 7th

Try Fast on his off wing
Send Miller down until the playoffs - he is imo not ready yet for consistent NHL hockey. Guy is only 19.

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03-26-2013, 10:06 PM
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I still also think Jokinen would be a good addition to this team. Pyatt wasn't noticeable again and Miller didn't look all that good defensively at center.

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03-26-2013, 11:15 PM
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Would like to see this:

Carl Hagelin - Derek Stepan - Rick Nash
Jesper Fast/Chris Kreider - Brad Richards - Marian Gaborik
Chris Kreider/Jesper Fast - Jussi Jokinen - Ryan Callahan
Mats Zuccarello - Brian Boyle - Rafi Torres
Darroll Powe, Arron Asham

Waive Gilroy
Sign Jokinen ( seriously doubt he makes it to us though)
Pyatt plus AHLer (Wilson?) for Torres and a 7th

Try Fast on his off wing
Send Miller down until the playoffs - he is imo not ready yet for consistent NHL hockey. Guy is only 19.
not bad but i was thinking more the lines of

Boyle, Powe Bourque to Yotes for Torres, Lane and rights to Viktor Tikhonov

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03-27-2013, 12:22 AM
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Would like to see this:

Carl Hagelin - Derek Stepan - Rick Nash
Jesper Fast/Chris Kreider - Brad Richards - Marian Gaborik
Chris Kreider/Jesper Fast - Jussi Jokinen - Ryan Callahan
Mats Zuccarello - Brian Boyle - Rafi Torres
Darroll Powe, Arron Asham

Waive Gilroy
Sign Jokinen ( seriously doubt he makes it to us though)
Pyatt plus AHLer (Wilson?) for Torres and a 7th

Try Fast on his off wing
Send Miller down until the playoffs - he is imo not ready yet for consistent NHL hockey. Guy is only 19.
Pyatt plus AHLer (Wilson?) for Torres and Goncharov.
See if we can get this guy.
Name: Maxim Goncharov
Number: 3
Pos.: D
Shoots: R
Height: 6-3
Weight: 216
Birthdate: 1989-06-15
Birthplace: Moscow, Russia
Assets:
Has a great shot from the point, as well as the instincts to play the point on power plays. Can also play sound defense in his own end and be a physical presence, due to very good size.
Flaws:
Needs to play with more game-to-game consistency in order to maximize his all-around upside. Must also take more shots to take full advantage of his big weapon.

Talent Analysis

An excitable player with good size and mobility, Goncharov is an athletically gifted defender who likes to play a physical game. Has impressive size, reach and is a big open ice hitter but lacks pure offensive instincts. Needs to cut down on turnovers and bad pinches

Career Potential:
Talented defenseman with upside.

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03-27-2013, 12:42 AM
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Sheer speculation...I think the expiration date on Boyle has passed and (not specualtion but from a little birdie) there are a couple of Western Division teams that are interested. If he goes for a draft choice (perhaps a second or third), could that be coupled with another choice (one of the Rangers 3rds this year) for a rental on an expiring contract? Clowe could make sense here.

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03-27-2013, 01:59 AM
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No way. Need to keep some players that made us successful last year. Keep the team as is. Need defensive help. Boyle's effort is getting there.
Agreed. Other than the stupid penalty, he played a very solid game against the Flyers. His legs were moving, he was creating good pressure on the forecheck, he used his size well. Lately he has been wearing down opposing teams with his size. He is going to the net more. I don't like the idea of trading him, especially if its so we could get a draft pick to couple with one of our draft picks in a trade for an extremely mediocre Ryan Clowe. Clowe is slow, smaller than Boyle in size, and has been abysmal regardless of his injury woes. Stay away. Boyle would be great on this team as a 4th line Center. However, our depth has forced him to be a 3rd liner and thus he hasn't met the expectations of a 3rd liner. Zuccarello should push Boyle down to the 4th line.

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03-27-2013, 04:05 AM
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Now, even as Sather recognizes his team is in need of help, the recent trend of acquiring marginal players on the margins of the market is likely to continue. For the problems confronting the GM as he scours the market are at least two-fold and can be defined as followed:

One, the salary cap situation that relates more to next year than this year and acts as a straitjacket regarding anything other than rentals; One Eh, the lack of personnel matches with clubs seeking to deal rentals in exchange for young talent and/or draft picks.

The Rangers have approximately $5.3 million of space available that will equate to the neighborhood of $7.25 million at the deadline, barring moves in the interim. This includes the $700,000 allotted to Mats Zuccarello but does not factor in Jesper Fastís $900,000 hit that will begin to toll when the Swedish winger joins the roster.

The cap crunch will come next year, when the ceiling comes down on the Rangersí heads. The Blueshirts have approximately $11.3 million of space with which to fill six roster spots, including three currently held by restricted free agents Ryan McDonagh, Derek Stepan and Carl Hagelin, who will likely account for up to a combined $10 million hit.

Next yearís number, of course, accounts for neither a possible amnesty buyout of Richards ($6.67 million through 2019-20) nor trade of Gaborik ($7.5 million through next year). Dealing Gaborik would allow the Rangers to defer a decision on Richards for another year, one that would begin with a training camp.

Trading Gaborik now might not improve the immediate situation. Despite a down year, the winger remains a threat. The problem is his contract makes him a marginal buy from a team very much on the margins itself.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...ontent=Rangers

Marginal players with no money for next season. OEL's contract raises the price for McD.

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03-27-2013, 07:06 AM
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Trouba is a great player. Winnipeg isn't trading him. Thankfully Pittsburgh passed on Trouba in the draft. That's all they needed was Trouba. The Pouliot kid might be a very good player but Trouba is a really,really good player. Trouba is undecided about leaving school.

Slats made a very good deal in 2007 bringing in Avery for a roster player in Jason Ward,mid level prospect in MA Cliche and a 3rd round pick in 2008(LA could not sign Jan Marek). Avery changed the mix of the team. He was also an affordable player in 07-08 at $1.9M which was the arbitration award.

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03-27-2013, 07:09 AM
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Marginal players with no money for next season. OEL's contract raises the price for McD.
RB, I love McD, but he should be making no more than what Subban is making (avg $2.5Mn. on a 2yr deal) Stepan should earn $4Mn on a 2-3 yr deal and Hagelin about $2-2.25Mn on a 2-3 yr deal.

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03-27-2013, 07:12 AM
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Trading Gaborik looks inevitable at this point, either by the trade deadline or during the off-season. I would use his money to try to sign Clarkson as a UFA in the summer. He's the type of player this team needs...and is a Torts kind of player

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RB, I love McD, but he should be making no more than what Subban is making (avg $2.5Mn. on a 2yr deal) Stepan should earn $4Mn on a 2-3 yr deal and Hagelin about $2-2.25Mn on a 2-3 yr deal.
So McD should make $1 million less than Girardi annually and get a shorter contract? I'm not seeing it.

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