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03-22-2013, 10:08 AM
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Pominville threw a check that shook the boards. Now I want him to do that every game since I know he has it in him.
I guess all that needs to happen is for him to get hit from behind every game.

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03-22-2013, 10:13 AM
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Pominville threw a check that shook the boards. Now I want him to do that every game since I know he has it in him.
That has NEVER been a part of his game. (Big checks) It's like asking John Scott and Kaleta to each score 10 goals a year. Highly unlikely.

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03-22-2013, 10:33 AM
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Good:
Easily the most exciting hockey game if the year

Foligno, Leino, Poms, Ennis, Hodgson, Porter and of course Ott playing with gusto and verve.

Late-season Myers awaking from hibernation again. Takes him 30 games to get going I guess.

Ehrhoff with 3 points and an awesome play to break up the 2 on 1

Gotta give props to Kadri. I really thought he wasn't going to pan out. Bozak looked good too

Bad:
Worse draft pick, but who cares if they can play games like that

First two goals. Ugh.

Ugly:
Clarke Mac now 0 for 11 in the shootout. Guess Carlyle forgot to check the stat sheet before putting the whole game on his back.

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03-22-2013, 10:52 AM
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That has NEVER been a part of his game. (Big checks) It's like asking John Scott and Kaleta to each score 10 goals a year. Highly unlikely.
That's not even a fair comparison. Asking non skill guys to score is one thing, but asking someone to throw a check now and then is different. Pominville CAN do it, as evidenced by that hit last night. He just doesn't WANT to. As a Captain of a hockey team, you're supposed to do whatever it takes to win, including throwing the body around to fire up your team.

It's so frustrating to see that kind of passion, and know that we'll probably never see it again.

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03-22-2013, 10:57 AM
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Pominville threw a check that shook the boards. Now I want him to do that every game since I know he has it in him.

You will see him throw checks regularly the next time he makes the playoffs.

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03-22-2013, 11:49 AM
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Brind'Amour
The hockey pool i was in for a few years was Isle of Dr. Brind'Amour!

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03-22-2013, 11:55 AM
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He's just not, if you can't see that watching games then I can't help you. The difference in # of point shots we score versus the # of point shots that beat Miller is pretty large.

I'm going to start writing this stuff down so people can stop just saying "Nuh uh" and expect that to somehow be an argument.


Our ability (or lack there of) to score from the point does not tell us one way or another about Miller's ability to stop point shots. There are factors beyond the opposing goalie's ability that influence our ability to score from the point. Miller's ability to stop point shots in and of itself informs us of his ability or struggles in that area.

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03-22-2013, 11:58 AM
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Buffalo Sabres = exciting hockey.....

who woulda thought this was even possible........?

Fun game to watch. Even better was winning.

Hope all those Leaf fans left lots of their loonies with the downtown merchants.

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03-22-2013, 11:59 AM
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The opportunity is there for the starting job if Enroth wants it.

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03-22-2013, 12:03 PM
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bad teams don't have the puck, this gives a team more hits.
While there is some truth to this. Its not quite that simple. Style of play and make up of your roster player bigger roles.

The Kings are #2 and Boston is #8 in hits.

Montreal and Anaheim are near us at #16 and #18 respectfully

The Hawks and Wings are #29 and #30 in hits.


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03-22-2013, 12:04 PM
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The opportunity is there for the starting job if Enroth wants it.
Curious why you think this?

Are you expecting Miller to get traded?

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03-22-2013, 12:05 PM
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Buffalo Sabres = exciting hockey.....

who woulda thought this was even possible........?

Fun game to watch. Even better was winning.

Hope all those Leaf fans left lots of their loonies with the downtown merchants.
Hey, we take pride in our loonies.

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03-22-2013, 01:12 PM
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While there is some truth to this. Its not quite that simple. Style of play and make up of your roster player bigger roles.

The Kings are #2 and Boston is #8 in hits.

Montreal and Anaheim are near us at #16 and #18 respectfully

The Hawks and Wings are #29 and #30 in hits.
In other words, there is no correlation between the number of hits and winning. Here is a link to team hit stats that bear that out: http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...=realTimeStats

That does not mean that hitting is not important. It is important to hit at the right time for the right reason, and hard hits are generally "worth more" than light hits, even though they all look the same on the stat sheet. If a team is too focused on running around to make hits just for the sake of hitting, then they may not be focused enough on trying to put the puck in the net. The point is that hit stats tell you very little, whereas observations about hitting may tell you a lot.

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03-22-2013, 01:17 PM
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In other words, there is no correlation between the number of hits and winning. Here is a link to team hit stats that bear that out: http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...=realTimeStats

That does not mean that hitting is not important. It is important to hit at the right time for the right reason, and hard hits are generally "worth more" than light hits, even though they all look the same on the stat sheet. If a team is too focused on running around to make hits just for the sake of hitting, then they may not be focused enough on trying to put the puck in the net. The point is that hit stats tell you very little, whereas observations about hitting may tell you a lot.
I wonder if the playoff stats in regards to hitting come to the same conclusion.

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03-22-2013, 02:16 PM
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I wonder if the playoff stats in regards to hitting come to the same conclusion.
Interesting question. Here are the stats from last year's playoffs (also attaching XLS sheet in case you can't read this table). Seems like there is still little or no correlation.

Team Games Hits Hits/Game Wins Rank H/G Rank Wins
BOS 7 276 39.4 3 1 9
FLA 7 262 37.4 3 2 9
PHX 16 581 36.3 9 3 4
LAK 20 721 36.1 16 4 1
NYR 20 665 33.3 10 5 3
PIT 6 198 33.0 2 6 12
WSH 14 454 32.4 7 7 5
NJD 24 770 32.1 14 8 2
OTT 7 223 31.9 3 9 9
VAN 5 158 31.6 1 10 16
PHI 11 346 31.5 5 11 6
CHI 6 181 30.2 2 12 12
STL 9 264 29.3 4 13 8
SJS 5 136 27.2 1 14 16
NSH 10 260 26.0 5 15 6
DET 5 115 23.0 1 16 16
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03-22-2013, 02:22 PM
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Hey, we take pride in our loonies.
Yeah, I know... a lot of them were on full display last night at HSBC!

(Sorry, can't get used to call it First Niagara.........)

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03-22-2013, 02:27 PM
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Pominville threw a check that shook the boards. Now I want him to do that every game since I know he has it in him.
I remember being annoyed with that play...

it shouldn't take realizing that you are captaining the suck train to play that way

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-I loved the Foligno-Porter-Flynn line; they're all hustle and we've needed a third/fourth line like that for a long time.
-Ehrhoff was great as usual. That play he made on the 2-on-1 odd man rush after the Pominville giveaway on the power play sticks out in my mind. That blast from the point was great too.
-Hodgson is going to be a star.
-Despite the penalties, Ott was awesome.

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03-23-2013, 12:55 PM
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While there is some truth to this. Its not quite that simple. Style of play and make up of your roster player bigger roles.

The Kings are #2 and Boston is #8 in hits.

Montreal and Anaheim are near us at #16 and #18 respectfully

The Hawks and Wings are #29 and #30 in hits.
It is all about playing style. And the playing style that works in the playoffs is a strong, physical, and aggressive forechecker. LA, N.J., NYR, and PHX are all assembled like that. Look what happened to the Rangers this year now that they lost a bunch of their grinders.

I like the direction this team is headed in. Adding tropp and girgs will only add to those elements i discussed.

Btw...hit stats are notoriously inconsistent. They're not an accurate gauge of a team's physicality.

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03-23-2013, 08:23 PM
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Curious why you think this?

Are you expecting Miller to get traded?
Nothing like that.

I just think that Enroth may be in the right place in his development to take advantage of a Miller slump.

Miller looks good tonight so far...

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