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03-23-2013, 04:01 PM
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Yes, Nabby does let in bad goals, but has made way more game saves and highlight saves to overlook that. He is old, but we'd be15 points out of the playoffs without him. We don't exactly help him out. We can't clear rebounds if they happen..we let bigger teams beat us in front of the net and Nabby has to do a lot of the creasework himself.

He's not the best, but for sure not the worst.

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haha that is a laugh, Rick was the best Goalie the Isles had in a long time, perhaps he could have been the best goalie the Isles ever had
we should have him bronzed.

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haha that is a laugh, Rick was the best Goalie the Isles had in a long time, perhaps he could have been the best goalie the Isles ever had
: laugh::l augh::la ugh:

What is this, Comedy Central??

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[QUOTE=steveat;62234893]Yes, Nabby does let in bad goals, but has made way more game saves and highlight saves to overlook that. He is old, but we'd be15 points out of the playoffs without him. We don't exactly help him out. We can't clear rebounds if they happen..we let bigger teams beat us in front of the net and Nabby has to do a lot of the creasework himself.

He's not the best, but for sure not the

You cant over look bad goals. Making big, timely saves is what good goalies do. Nabby is not making anymore big saves then other goalies in the NHL. He is however letting in his fair share of bad ones

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03-23-2013, 04:58 PM
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haha that is a laugh, Rick was the best Goalie the Isles had in a long time, perhaps he could have been the best goalie the Isles ever had
Lol what?

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03-23-2013, 05:09 PM
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Our defense was just as bad last year (can they get any worse?) and Nabby managed much better stats than now through 41 games. Worn down? It's not like he's facing any more shots than he did last year on a game by game basis.

Still it's only been 26 games so maybe it evens out. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

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03-23-2013, 05:18 PM
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He's a good goalie but not a great goalie. His great games are behind him but the Islanders aren't willing to pay for great so I guess we will have to settle for good. I hope that changes in the near future. I wouldn't mind seeing him back for another season but he's not the guy that's going to take this team to the Stanley cup finals. Islander fans are just too use to settling for good but not great.

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He's a good goalie but not a great goalie. His great games are behind him but the Islanders aren't willing to pay for great so I guess we will have to settle for good. I hope that changes in the near future. I wouldn't mind seeing him back for another season but he's not the guy that's going to take this team to the Stanley cup finals. Islander fans are just too use to settling for good but not great.
Agreed..... We all know Poulin is not the answer to replacing him....

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03-23-2013, 05:58 PM
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i wonder if we will try to sign Khabibulin as well? Maybe next year interchange..like each game switch goalies?

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03-23-2013, 06:40 PM
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We are inexplicably still in the play-off race and Nabokov has certainly done his part..

He's done all we could have possibly expected given the parody of a defense corp we've provided him this season..

Is he slightly over-rated on HFB? Yes. (I stress SLIGHTLY)

But we're the ones rating him.

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03-23-2013, 07:10 PM
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...on this board. I am sorry, I realize we have no other better option at this point, but there are far too many people on this board that act like he is having a good season when he flat out is not. Last night is a perfect indicator of that. When do you see Nabokov do what Vokoun did last night, see his team get out shot 13-1 in the first 15 minutes of the game, make one unbelievable save after another to keep his team in it and end up winning the game?

Another very telling stat: when we score two goals in a game we are 1-11-2. A team like ours needs its goalie once in awhile to come through with a huge game and allow one goal on a night when the offense scores two to get the win. The fact is unless this team scores 3 or 4 goals at least, they have no chance to win. That is usually a sign that your goalie is not doing his job and look at Nabokov's numbers, they are not impressive.
I agree, there is a love affair with him for almost no reason. He's serviceable but he never steals games. He'll have an amazing save one moment and let in a soft one two minutes later.

His defense is atrocious, but good/great goalies tend to steal games once in a while. A young team needs a goalie who can steal games and keep them in games even though they are performing poorly.

He's good, but there's at least 15 other goalies I'd take over him.

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03-23-2013, 07:14 PM
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The only reason this team is even sniffing the playoff picture is Nabby. The backups are 0-5. Nabby is over .500

He has had a couple of spotty games... then again he has also played way too much for a 37 year old in a condensed schedule with no camp.

I'd sign him to a 2 year.

Who else ecactly would you rather have as the #1 who is realistically available? the real focus should be on finding a viable backup or time share

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03-23-2013, 07:16 PM
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Who else ecactly would you rather have as the #1 who is realistically available? the real focus should be on finding a viable backup or time share
This is exactly why he's overrated. You're all comparing him to goalies that we could realistically get, which is none.

When there are 15 to 20 other goalies in the NHL who are all better than you, you're not great. You're serviceable. Comparing him to our backups and claiming he's good isn't a fair judgement.

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He's the only goalie we got that can play at this level. It's not his fault.

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This is exactly why he's overrated. You're all comparing him to goalies that we could realistically get, which is none.

When there are 15 to 20 other goalies in the NHL who are all better than you, you're not great. You're serviceable. Comparing him to our backups and claiming he's good isn't a fair judgement.
He is a potential hall of fame goalie who has a capuano led squad over .500 when he takes the ice. He is not overrated. This team has a lot of issues. Nabokov isn't one of them.

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03-23-2013, 07:24 PM
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the last time we had a goalie like this was Osgood and he wasn't appropriately appreciated either

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he is a potential hall of fame goalie who has a capuano led squad over .500 when he takes the ice. He is not overrated. This team has a lot of issues. Nabokov isn't one of them.
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03-23-2013, 07:52 PM
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He has a sub .900 save %. He was at .914 last year. Yann Danis was at .910 the year we finished DMFL in the entire league. If his name was not Evgeni Nabokov, literally not one person would be clamoring to keep him based on this season. He has been backup quality.

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03-23-2013, 07:54 PM
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Things I learned on this board:

All they need to do is fire Capuano, hire a coach with appropriate facial gestures and sound bites, get rid of Nabakov, trade Moulson, call more timeouts and change the lines more frequently and viola, cup contenders!

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He has a sub .900 save %. He was at .914 last year. Yann Danis was at .910 the year we finished DMFL in the entire league. If his name was not Evgeni Nabokov, literally not one person would be clamoring to keep him based on this season. He has been backup quality.
Literally.

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He has a sub .900 save %. He was at .914 last year. Yann Danis was at .910 the year we finished DMFL in the entire league. If his name was not Evgeni Nabokov, literally not one person would be clamoring to keep him based on this season. He has been backup quality.
Sub .900 save % at .899. Take out the Flyers and Pittsburgh games were he was left for dead in both and the Pitts start was 3 in 4 days which was mind boggling. I don't believe that 1 coach/team this year let a Goalie go 3 in 4 but i could be wrong. That was 13 goals scored in those 2 games where i can easily argue he should have never started in Pitts and should have been pulled in the 3rd vs Philly if not sooner. His record is 13-10-3 with again maybe the worst Defensive team i have seen in many years. Forget a 1/2 combo we barely have a 3/4 this year!

P.S. if our back ups went 2-3 opposed to 0-5 we are the 8th seed right now.

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Sub .900 save % at .899. Take out the Flyers and Pittsburgh games were he was left for dead in both and the Pitts start was 3 in 4 days which was mind boggling. I don't believe that 1 coach/team this year let a Goalie go 3 in 4 but i could be wrong. That was 13 goals scored in those 2 games where i can easily argue he should have never started in Pitts and should have been pulled in the 3rd vs Philly if not sooner. His record is 13-10-3 with again maybe the worst Defensive team i have seen in many years. Forgot a 1/2 combo we barely have a 3/4 this year!!!!
This isn't even the worst defensive Islanders team in the last two years.

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This isn't even the worst defensive Islanders team in the last two years.
In my eyes Hamonic is having a off year and was much better last year. McDonald has been sub par this year also. Jurcina,Staios,and Eaton at least had NHL experience where as Finley,Strait, and Hickey had a combined 40 NHL games under their belts. Jurcina was better then Carkner IMHO. Streit has played the same and Visnovski who was added is a great offensive Dman but really not so good on the D side of the game. Explain to me how last year was worse though?

P.S. I hate ESPN. I looked up Brian Strait and tell me who's picture comes up in his place.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/_/id/5226/brian-strait


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My big issue with the D this year is clearing the zone. I have never watched a team worse at it than the 2012-2013 Islanders. They get pinned and you can actually feel the goal coming and it almost always does. When it's like that... it's not on the goalie. It's happened no matter which of the 3 are in net.

In theory I like way the D was constructed. However, it gambled that Hammer and MacD would be a shut down pairing. That gamble backfired.

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In my eyes Hamonic is having a off year and was much better last year. McDonald has been sub par this year also. Jurcina,Staios,and Eaton at least had NHL experience where as Finley,Strait, and Hickey had a combined 40 NHL games under their belts. Jurcina was better then Carkner IMHO. Streit has played the same and Visnovski who was added is a great offensive Dman but really not so good on the D side of the game. Explain to me how last year was worse though?

P.S. I hate ESPN. I looked up Mark Strait and tell me who's picture comes up in his place.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/_/id/5226/brian-strait
OMG, that is unbelievable. ESPN is ridiculous.

I agree with everything you said but disagree with Carkner worse than Jurcina. Jurcina was horrible. I can deal with Finley in the line-up though. But lets be realistic we need a MAJOR overhaul for our D next season.

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