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03-23-2013, 04:01 PM
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You're afraid of JVR and Lupul with Grabbo but not afraid of JVR and Kessel with him?

I think that having JVR and Lupul on the second line with Grabbo looks more like a second line on a good team.
No, i'm afraid of moving one of the left wingers over to the right side.

I'm afraid of stacking our two most creative forwards on the same line. Kess ,Kadri.

Would it not be fair to say that Kadri and Kessel are the ones providing the spark on their lines right now?

Hook Kadri up with Kessel on the PP all day long, i love that idea but not 5/5.

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03-23-2013, 04:05 PM
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No, i'm afraid of moving one of the left wingers over to the right side.

I'm afraid of stacking our two most creative forwards on the same line. Kess ,Kadri.

Would it not be fair to say that Kadri and Kessel are the ones providing the spark on their lines right now?

Hook Kadri up with Kessel on the PP all day long, i love that idea but not 5/5.
Lupul plays RW also.

We don't know what kind of spark JVR and Lupul could create.

Plus yes, unite our best playmaker with our best snipe.

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03-23-2013, 04:19 PM
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The only reason I could imagine seeing Carlyle put Kadri with Kessel is if Kessel is on a huge scoring slump and Kadri's playmaking needs to help him out. Despite that, I love having 2 scoring lines, its easy to shutdown 1 top scoring line (aka. Chara shutting Kess) But Chara can't double shift and shutdown Kadri too.

2 is better than 1
scoring lines, that is

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03-23-2013, 04:22 PM
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No way. Each player is the straw that stirs the drink for their lines. You put them together and you risk having a one line team.

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03-23-2013, 04:27 PM
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Komarov/Kulemin - Bozak - McClement would be one hell of a shutdown line.

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03-23-2013, 04:28 PM
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Powerplay? Yes. 5 on 5? Nah. Its better to spread out the scoring, especially since Grabo and Kulemin suck a fat one when playing together.

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destruction line

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03-23-2013, 04:53 PM
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All 3?

Until we have another decent playmaking C I think it would be wise to keep those 3 separate. They are the only playmakers we have on the team. Kessel and Kadri are our 2 best and therefore should probably play apart at least until we can improve the roster a bit.

believe me I want the 2 together more than anyone, but it would really have a negative trickle down effect - with not much going on in way of production from the other lines.

As far as Grabo goes, until he is willing to show even a modicum of unselfish play I want no part of teaming him with any of our top scoring forwards.

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03-24-2013, 09:51 AM
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Carlyle mixed and matched the lines so much last night it seems crazy we are even talking about who can/can't play together. We are all as right as the other opinion apparently the way Randy switches things so often in the game.

Most likely this thread would have served a better purpose if i had focused on power-play lines. Well some great thoughts in here anyways. The trade deadline coming so quickly will most likely change everything we discussed here lol.

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03-24-2013, 09:53 AM
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He should when the top line is struggling or the odd shift throughout the game.

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03-24-2013, 09:57 AM
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JVR Kadri Kessel
Lupul Grabo Frattin
Kulemin Bozak McClement
McLaren Komarov Orr


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03-24-2013, 10:03 AM
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To my thinking when Lupul comes back they should be our #1 line. Grabo could use the JVR help going to the net on his line.

There is enough scoring depth now for 2 strong scoring lines with a third line that can score some and defend.

Is it time for us to see a top line that could rival every top line in the league or do we just keep watching a faceoff specialist get top line minutes.
No point in asking this here, people around here believe Tyler Bozak is a better player worth paying 5.5m a year for then Grabo.

To answer the question I think Grabo should be on with them but only because Kadri ignites Frats JVR or anyone else he would play with on the second line.

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03-24-2013, 10:34 AM
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No point in asking this here, people around here believe Tyler Bozak is a better player worth paying 5.5m a year for then Grabo.

To answer the question I think Grabo should be on with them but only because Kadri ignites Frats JVR or anyone else he would play with on the second line.
There was a interesting discussion brought up by the announcers last night in that how long it was going to be before teams start matching lines against Kadri instead of Kessel too.

He is getting attention and plenty from the games i have watched.To think he is flying under teams radar is wrong. They know well how good he is playing,and it was really funny the dirty looks and head shakes he caused on his goal last night lol.

He doesn't need to be on Kessels line with Lupul coming back for tomorrow's game anyways.Boston will be watching him but who will watch Lupul.Kadri no matter where he plays has given teams something to chew on,and thicken our depth in the top 9 scoring forwards.

Bozak to me would best serve the team as our third line center because he isn't a bad player. He is a great depth center actually. That said though,Colborne is knocking on the door for that 3rd line center job too.

How long since we had this type of depth to discuss,and its because of Kadri's emergence.It all leads back to Kadri to my thinking. Grabo looked like we are used to last night and that was good to see. He's coming around.

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03-24-2013, 10:39 AM
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I like some of the combos but how about we bring back the Kulemin - Bozak - Kessel line of 3 seasons ago? That line was extremely effective.

Kulemin - Bozak - Kessel ---> Good scoring line, Kulemin provides some defensive stability and a big body to provide puck support. And note that this line has worked out perfectly in the past.

Lupul - Grabo - JVR ---> Two big scoring wingers who can create offense on their own. Both are big bodies who don't require the puck to be on their stick at all times. Grabo would thrive with less pressure on him to carry a line offensively.

MacA - Kadri - Fratts ---> Kadri can carry this line, he's got MacA and Fratts to do the dirty work. All of them can shoot the puck, play responsible D, sheltered minutes but big offensive output.

Komarov - McClement - Orr/ McLaren ---> Perfect energy line, Komarov is the hitting machine, Orr/ McLaren patrol the game, McClement is a PK god and a very good energy guy who can play. Defensively responsible line, wouldn't worry about tossing them out at all.
Kinda like this idea. If people could get out of this labelling lines 1 2 and 3 mentality there are some interesting possibilities.

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03-24-2013, 10:41 AM
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I, too, want Kulemin on the top line.

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03-24-2013, 10:44 AM
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How can Kadri ever become that proverbial "#1 Centre" if he is never given a chance to play on the top line because we want to keep our offense spread out? It may not be this year, but you have to give Kadri his shot at seizing the #1 role at some point.

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03-24-2013, 10:45 AM
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Would like to see Kadri with Kessel on the 1st PP unit but outside of that like both as primary puck carries through the neutral zone and would rather not play them together.

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03-24-2013, 10:48 AM
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i like the 2 lines 1.kadri and 2.kessel
chara vs kessel allows kadri space for example

but on the pp yes play them together

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03-24-2013, 11:02 AM
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At least when healthy...

Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin (line looked great together...the entire line can play physical
and score)
Frattin-Bozak-Kessel (Frattin Switches but adds a little physical to the line- JVR isn't physical...scoring shouldn't sufffer)
JVR-Grabovski-Komorov (Komorov will add some pugnacity, line has some scoring pop)

I would also "spot" the likes of McLaren, MacArthur, Orr and Hamilton into the lines depending on situation...would it hurt to "spot" McLaren on with Bozak and Kessel the odd time when lining up against Chara...just a shift here or there...or Orr when they line up with Lucic...might make for a good distraction...just keep a tight leash...

Having MacArthur to "insert" is great when a scorer is hurt...each line has some physical...some scoring...
4th line is just big and physical...

Ideal would be to add a large, physical body who can score to the Bozak line (Clarkson?) and drop Frattin back to the Grabovski line with Komorov dropping to 4th...

Just my slant...

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03-24-2013, 11:04 AM
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I honestly think RC should put Lupul and Kessel back together... I think they are better fits.

JVR-Kadri-Kulemin is a good line

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03-24-2013, 11:15 AM
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How can Kadri ever become that proverbial "#1 Centre" if he is never given a chance to play on the top line because we want to keep our offense spread out? It may not be this year, but you have to give Kadri his shot at seizing the #1 role at some point.
He recieved top line center minutes the last 2 games though. Bozak had slightly more(43 seconds more)but thats taking defensive zone faceoffs and then exiting the ice for a change.

Grabo was the only center last night though to have a winning faceoff record with 6wins/4losses for 60%.Kadri was 1w/7L and that is why his minutes will continue to be down when he is having a night where he is not winning in the circle.

It boils down to winning face-offs. Thats the value Nonis speaks of when saying he is most likely better off keeping Bozak at the trade deadline.

Kadri is giving Carlyle solid minutes and thats cool.

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I think at some point you absolutely do it. Spreading out your offense is a nice enough idea, but having a line you can send out that can dominate isn't a bad thing either.

Plus if we don't give Kadri his crack at the top line what's the point in asking why we don't have a #1 center? Apparently anyone with skill isn't going to mesh with Kessel. Think you should be able to play your top players together.

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yes please anything that can help kessel score again

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Man if we ever replace Bozak with a top centre we're going to have such a dynamic top 6. Wingers right now that are locks for the top 6: Kessel, Lupul, JVR. I think the last position should come down to Frattin or Kulemin and i'm giving it to Kulemin. On the wings that group is top 5 IMO. Kadri at centre is the only lock... Grabo and Bozak aren't top 6 players right now... they are however fringe top 6 players. Get Stastny and that 1-2 punch is probably top 10 in terms of 1-2 punch down the middle. Giving us arguably a top 5 top 6 core - at the worst top 10.

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03-24-2013, 11:31 AM
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To my thinking when Lupul comes back they should be our #1 line. Grabo could use the JVR help going to the net on his line.

There is enough scoring depth now for 2 strong scoring lines with a third line that can score some and defend.

Is it time for us to see a top line that could rival every top line in the league or do we just keep watching a faceoff specialist get top line minutes.
No.

Kessel's line struggles immensely getting pinned in their own zone. They need Bozak.

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