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03-23-2013, 09:13 PM
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Best General Managers In Hockey History?

Let's just say that we drafted GM's in the All-Time Draft, some would be coaches too, but How do you think a top 30 ranking of the greatest managers in hockey history would look?

No specific order, but just some name droppin of possible Gm's that could be in consideration for such a list.

Sam Pollack
Bill Torrey
Glen Sather
Milt Schmidt
Harry Sinden
Keith Allen
Craig Patrick
Ken Holland
Lou Lamiorello
Conn Smythe
Tommy Gorman
Frank Patrick
Lester Patrick
Dickie Boon
George Kennedy
Frank Selke
Brian Burke
Jim Rutherford
Emile Francis
Leo Dandurand
Jim Devellano
Cliff Fletcher
Anatoli Tarasov


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Begins and ends with Sam Pollack AFAIC

Here's a guy that already has one of the best resume's in the history of hockey and on top of it, he almost stole Wayne Gretzky for the Habs.
Only that bull**** personal services contract that Pocklington had Gretz sign stopped it.

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Jimmy Devellano should be on the list.

He was an Islanders scout, and was the reason they chose Denis Potvin in 1973.

He was then promoted to Director of Scouting, and oversaw drafts from 1974 on, which included the drafting of players such as Bryan Trottier (1974) and Mike Bossy (1977). It was under his recommendation that the team hired Al Arbour as coach.

In 1982 he was hired by the Detroit Red Wings, after then-GM Jimmy Skinner was forced to retire. As the draft had already passed, he would have to wait a year before making his stamp on the team through the draft.

His first draft pick with the Wings? Steve Yzerman. Other notable Wings picks in that draft: Bob Probert, Joe Kocur, Stu Grimson.

Devellano is responsible for creating Detroit's reputation as a smart-drafting team that manages to find steals late in the draft. He wasn't afraid to use late picks on highly skilled Europeans that scout Christer Rockstrom tipped them off about. When Rockstrom left to join the Rangers in 1990, Devellano asked him for a recommendation of a replacement. That led to the hiring of Hakan Andersson, who has since found more gems hiding in Europe.

Ken Holland himself was a scout within the Wings organization (after first having been a goalie) and quickly moved up the ranks, but learned the ins and outs of being a GM from Jimmy D.

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Let's just say that we drafted GM's in the All-Time Draft, some would be coaches too, but How do you think a top 30 ranking of the greatest managers in hockey history would look?

No specific order, but just some name droppin of possible Gm's that could be in consideration for such a list.

Sam Pollack
Bill Torrey
Glen Sather
Milt Schmidt
Harry Sinden
Keith Allen
Craig Patrick
Ken Holland
Lou Lamiorella
Conn Smythe
Tommy Gorman
Frank Patrick
Lester Patrick
Dickie Boon
George Kennedy
Frank Selke
Brian Burke
Jim Rutherford
Emile Francis
Leo Dandurand

who?

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Begins and ends with Sam Pollack AFAIC

Here's a guy that already has one of the best resume's in the history of hockey and on top of it, he almost stole Wayne Gretzky for the Habs.
Only that bull**** personal services contract that Pocklington had Gretz sign stopped it.
Yeah, I have a hard time with those who say that the 70's Habs were so good because of an unbalanced league. Maybe it was but it was because of Pollock's shrewd drafting and trading that the Habs were so good. I'm not talking about the Lafleur deal either. That was robbery and possibly stinky as we talked about in the Frank Selke Jr. thread. Look at the players he drafted. Some really great picks like Gainey and Tremblay that gave the Flying Frenchmen grit and toughness. Of course he took his chances on a number of others that didn't pan out, but that happens to every GM. Its too bad he didn't listen to Claude Ruel about Mike Bossy though.

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Begins and ends with Sam Pollack AFAIC
Came here to post this.

Sam Pollock is far and away the best GM in the NHL's history, and it's not even close.


If you had to fill out a list of the rest I'd add names like Frank Selke, Glen Sather, Bill Torrey, Conn Smythe, Cliff Fletcher, Jack Adams, and Keith Allen.

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Begins and ends with Sam Pollack AFAIC

Here's a guy that already has one of the best resume's in the history of hockey and on top of it, he almost stole Wayne Gretzky for the Habs.
Only that bull**** personal services contract that Pocklington had Gretz sign stopped it.
Can you elaborate on that? Was Montreal going to get Gretzky before he got to the NHL or was this when Gretzky was traded to the Kings?

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who?
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How about some possible euro managers?

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Begins and ends with Sam Pollack AFAIC

Here's a guy that already has one of the best resume's in the history of hockey and on top of it, he almost stole Wayne Gretzky for the Habs.
Only that bull**** personal services contract that Pocklington had Gretz sign stopped it.
Pollack was great, but it sure helped that for some reason, the NHL let him write the 1967 expansion rules and basically fix them in Montreal's favor.

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Art Ross

Built the Bruins up from ground zero as Coach & GM, finishing first in the league 10X's and winning 3 Stanley Cups' between 1924 & 1954. As a player, one of the first, possibly THE first Rushing Defencemen ever who after retiring Ref'd in the NHL, Coached the Hamilton Tigers for a year, then joined Adams in Boston, naming the team the Bruins & selected their colors. Additionally, he re-designed the puck using vulcanized rubber along with the nets, introducing the 'B' bottom & tops adding greater stability & strength. Introduced the Kitty Bar the Door defensive system, its offspring & descendants the Left Wing Lock & NZ Trap. Not the "Best GM of All Time" perhaps but certainly ranking right on up there... Pollack, Selke & Torrey I think would be my Top 3...

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Can you elaborate on that? Was Montreal going to get Gretzky before he got to the NHL or was this when Gretzky was traded to the Kings?
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Never a bad thing.

Here's a link to a good thread on it...
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=948459

Basically Pollack made a deal with the Rockies to swap first round picks in either '79 or '80, Habs choice.
Gretzky, like Messier, would have been available in the '79 draft but he wasn't because Gretz had signed a personal services contract with Pocklington.
So the Habs instead set their sites on either Wickenheiser or Savard for the 1980 draft and did the swap then.

So yeah, as mind blowing as it sounds, Gretzky was that close to being a Hab and would have been a rookie in the year after the Habs had just won 4 straight.


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Here's a link to a good thread on it...
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=948459

Basically Pollack made a deal with the Rockies to swap first round picks in either '79 or '80, Habs choice.
Gretzky, like Messier, would have been available in the '79 draft but he wasn't because Gretz had signed a personal services contract with Pocklington.
So the Habs instead set their sites on either Wickenheiser or Savard for the 1980 draft and did the swap then.

So yeah, as mind blowing as it sounds, Gretzky was that close to being a Hab and would have been a rookie in the year after the Habs had just won 4 straight.
I think Pollock had three first round picks stock piled for 1981 draft also. Which next regime wasted. But it shows Pollock was building for another dynasty and he retired in 1978. If not for WHA folding been fun to see Wayne play with Lafleur in the 80s.

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I think Anatoli Tarasov could be one, also maybe Ray Shero or Peter Chiarelli in a few years.

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I think Anatoli Tarasov could be one...
Ya, excellent suggestion & pick, beyond innovative, exceptionally astute judge of talent in addition to being a Hell of a Coach.

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