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03-24-2013, 11:26 AM
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Come back to us when you've watched every game for a few years before you come on our boards and think you know better than us on what "needs" to be changed.
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03-24-2013, 11:27 AM
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OK?

Well Boucher wasn't getting it done- AGREED.

But - I will say it NOW---
It Doesn't matter who TB Lightning hire this season we will lose.

IMO: Many of these players just flat out quit this season and quit last season too.
Over paid PRIMA DONAS that don't want to hit and don't want to be hit.

Many of you are going to bash me for saying the TRUTH right now...
But oh well... Its my opinion and I am a season ticket holder since 2002 so I have paid for 4 CLUB BOX Seats and earned the right to be critical of this Crappy Team for 10 years.

Vinny sucks WAY OVER PAID For the production you do not get.
Vinny will not take a hit or give a hit.
Vinny can not score a goal even if the goalie is absent. PERIOD.
Vinny refuses to battle for the Puck and Win the battle.
Over Paid china doll- no spirit to win.. Just pay him his money all he wants.

Marty St Louis WAY OVER PAID For the production you do not get.
Marty St Louis is just god awful this year and last.
Marty will not take a hit or give a hit.
Marty has become a COWARD and is so slow Snails are passing him by these days..
He merely gives the puck up to the defender everytime they rush him..
Like here you go Sir please dont touch me...
Marty refuses to battle for the Puck and Win the Battle.
He is just god awful on the Power Play at Point.
He has wingspan of a Hummingbird which is why he loses the puck every game on PP.

The opposing defense has TB TOTALLY figured out and does this every PP now- TB enters zone Marty Passes the Puck around for 1 minute........
then when Defense knows Marty is tired they rush him and force bad pass or turnover it has happended just like that for 40 PP in a row.
Marty is to old and has no Spirit for the toughness of the Game.. just wants to assist and pass the puck to Stamkos for one timers. Marty never battles in front of the Net.
Marty has missed so many open Net Chances its laughable- comicable.

Carle and Brewer are so over paid its laughable.
These are not quality D men.
Purcell- and many others have fallen into this Trap that TB is somehow a Finesse Team
and we can win by never being Physical. Every person on this Team needs to start laying the opponents out if you want to win. You have to punish the opposing team for entering your zone. TB does not we give them Tea and Crumpets and ask they play nicely while in our zone.

This whole situation is part:
1. Coaching
2. Bad Players
3. Spolied Players
4. TB Lightning Culture of playing soft.

Until you change Marty and Vinny this team is going nowhere FAST. They are the supposed leaders and everyone watches Marty give the puck up on the PP against Ottawa and just shrug his shoulders at the opposing player skating in on our net.
Never even tried to catch him just put his bobble head on his teenage body and laughed. That is the TB Culture in a NUT SHELL.

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03-24-2013, 11:28 AM
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Boucher was a minor league coach that had success?

Why would we repeat that mistake with another minor league coach?
This is a valid concern.

But Guy came from outside of the organization if I remember correctly. His track record for success wasn't quite as long. Guy didn't have 4+ guys from his team ready to jump to the NHL club with him.

Having these Syracuse players on the Lightning (presuming some make it next season) and not choosing Cooper would be a smack in the face to everyone.

How many coaches are available that have NHL experience + success is another reason - not many.

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No names? What a joke. Get out of here your opinions are useless.

Also look up the word start in the dictionary. You might be surprised by its definition.
Protip: It doesn't mean middle.
If I give you the names, will you be happy? I just don't want to get into a urinating contest with you. Here is fact: You have given up almost 100 goals in 31 games. Not so good. You are almost dead last in your conference. Not so good. Players went dead on Guy. Not so good. Look at your season in 6 games increments and tell me how it shakes out at 12 then 18. Not so good.

I just think you hate people from Michigan, because you see alot of them in the winter. Not my fault though.

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03-24-2013, 11:31 AM
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This may not carry the weight you hope it will.

MOD: go after the argument, not the person.


Also, NHL.com put up an article on possible replacements.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=6...d=nhl:topheads

spoilers: Ruff, Cooper, Mike Sullivan, Mike Haviland, Jacques Martin, and wildcard Dallas Eakins.
Sullivan is interesting, but I think he may go for the NCAA vacancy left by BU. Haviland... not bad, but pass. Martin, no thanks. Eakins is a solid choice, but if you're going to go that route, why not Cooper?

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This is a valid concern.

But Guy came from outside of the organization if I remember correctly. His track record for success wasn't quite as long. Guy didn't have 4+ guys from his team ready to jump to the NHL club with him.

Having these Syracuse players on the Lightning (presuming some make it next season) and not choosing Cooper would be a smack in the face to everyone.

How many coaches are available that have NHL experience + success is another reason - not many.
Guy also came in when SFY was cleaning house. That's not the case this time.

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03-24-2013, 11:32 AM
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Well Boucher wasn't getting it done- AGREED.

But - I will say it NOW---
It Doesn't matter who TB Lightning hire this season we will lose.

IMO: Many of these players just flat out quit this season and quit last season too.
Over paid PRIMA DONAS that don't want to hit and don't want to be hit.

Many of you are going to bash me for saying the TRUTH right now...
But oh well... Its my opinion and I am a season ticket holder since 2002 so I have paid for 4 CLUB BOX Seats and earned the right to be critical of this Crappy Team for 10 years.

Vinny sucks WAY OVER PAID For the production you do not get.
Vinny will not take a hit or give a hit.
Vinny can not score a goal even if the goalie is absent. PERIOD.
Vinny refuses to battle for the Puck and Win the battle.
Over Paid china doll- no spirit to win.. Just pay him his money all he wants.


Marty St Louis WAY OVER PAID For the production you do not get.
Marty St Louis is just god awful this year and last.
Marty will not take a hit or give a hit.
Marty has become a COWARD and is so slow Snails are passing him by these days..
He merely gives the puck up to the defender everytime they rush him..
Like here you go Sir please dont touch me...
Marty refuses to battle for the Puck and Win the Battle.
He is just god awful on the Power Play at Point.
He has wingspan of a Hummingbird which is why he loses the puck every game on PP.

The opposing defense has TB TOTALLY figured out and does this every PP now- TB enters zone Marty Passes the Puck around for 1 minute........
then when Defense knows Marty is tired they rush him and force bad pass or turnover it has happended just like that for 40 PP in a row.
Marty is to old and has no Spirit for the toughness of the Game.. just wants to assist and pass the puck to Stamkos for one timers. Marty never battles in front of the Net.
Marty has missed so many open Net Chances its laughable- comicable.

Carle and Brewer are so over paid its laughable.
These are not quality D men.
Purcell- and many others have fallen into this Trap that TB is somehow a Finesse Team
and we can win by never being Physical. Every person on this Team needs to start laying the opponents out if you want to win. You have to punish the opposing team for entering your zone. TB does not we give them Tea and Crumpets and ask they play nicely while in our zone.

This whole situation is part:
1. Coaching
2. Bad Players
3. Spolied Players
4. TB Lightning Culture of playing soft.

Until you change Marty and Vinny this team is going nowhere FAST. They are the supposed leaders and everyone watches Marty give the puck up on the PP against Ottawa and just shrug his shoulders at the opposing player skating in on our net.
Never even tried to catch him just put his bobble head on his teenage body and laughed. That is the TB Culture in a NUT SHELL.
HUH??? Vinny was leading in hits till he was injured and seemed for a while there to be the only guy that hit anybody. He was also playing fantastic until he took the slapshot off his ankle and compared to must of the non Syracuse players he was the only one who would battle along the boards using his big butt to knock players out of the way and was imo very strong on the puck and on defensive play.

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Well Boucher wasn't getting it done- AGREED.

But - I will say it NOW---
It Doesn't matter who TB Lightning hire this season we will lose.

IMO: Many of these players just flat out quit this season and quit last season too.
Over paid PRIMA DONAS that don't want to hit and don't want to be hit.

Many of you are going to bash me for saying the TRUTH right now...
But oh well... Its my opinion and I am a season ticket holder since 2002 so I have paid for 4 CLUB BOX Seats and earned the right to be critical of this Crappy Team for 10 years.

Vinny sucks WAY OVER PAID For the production you do not get.
Vinny will not take a hit or give a hit.
Vinny can not score a goal even if the goalie is absent. PERIOD.
Vinny refuses to battle for the Puck and Win the battle.
Over Paid china doll- no spirit to win.. Just pay him his money all he wants.

Marty St Louis WAY OVER PAID For the production you do not get.
Marty St Louis is just god awful this year and last.
Marty will not take a hit or give a hit.
Marty has become a COWARD and is so slow Snails are passing him by these days..
He merely gives the puck up to the defender everytime they rush him..
Like here you go Sir please dont touch me...
Marty refuses to battle for the Puck and Win the Battle.
He is just god awful on the Power Play at Point.
He has wingspan of a Hummingbird which is why he loses the puck every game on PP.

The opposing defense has TB TOTALLY figured out and does this every PP now- TB enters zone Marty Passes the Puck around for 1 minute........
then when Defense knows Marty is tired they rush him and force bad pass or turnover it has happended just like that for 40 PP in a row.
Marty is to old and has no Spirit for the toughness of the Game.. just wants to assist and pass the puck to Stamkos for one timers. Marty never battles in front of the Net.
Marty has missed so many open Net Chances its laughable- comicable.

Carle and Brewer are so over paid its laughable.
These are not quality D men.
Purcell- and many others have fallen into this Trap that TB is somehow a Finesse Team
and we can win by never being Physical. Every person on this Team needs to start laying the opponents out if you want to win. You have to punish the opposing team for entering your zone. TB does not we give them Tea and Crumpets and ask they play nicely while in our zone.

This whole situation is part:
1. Coaching
2. Bad Players
3. Spolied Players
4. TB Lightning Culture of playing soft.

Until you change Marty and Vinny this team is going nowhere FAST. They are the supposed leaders and everyone watches Marty give the puck up on the PP against Ottawa and just shrug his shoulders at the opposing player skating in on our net.
Never even tried to catch him just put his bobble head on his teenage body and laughed. That is the TB Culture in a NUT SHELL.


Seriously.

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Seriously.

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Seriously, I can understand your gripes with the team people, but if you post drek like that without either coming up with a solution or just spouting off things that are easily debunked through statistical analysis, you're going to get rolled over here.

CAPITALIZING words or NOT. SEASON tickets OR not.

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Choosing Eakins would be big slap in the face of Cooper. No way he would like to stay after that.

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One last thing:

Marty ST Louis was one of my favorite players in the past.

I just know when its time to put the old guy in the retirement home.
And the time has passed.

Marty loses so many pucks and has directly cost this team at least 6 games this year.
The most glaring one was against Winn Jets here at home with 2 mins to go Marty lost battle for puck right outside TB Net and then could not stop Jets from scoring.

Jets player merely took a little breath blew on Marty and Marty fell back 10 feet.
Lost puck- lost battle- Jets Score and Win.

Rinse and repeat-- keeps happen all year to Marty.

If you want the young guns to play REAL HOCKEY you cant surround them with this kind of crappy play- that Marty instills.

AFTER ALL LOOK AT Conacher came into the League set everything on fire..
Then settle into Marty's and TB's style of play now Coancher is just as non-existent as Marty is. Its called leadership by example.

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Well Boucher wasn't getting it done- AGREED.

But - I will say it NOW---
It Doesn't matter who TB Lightning hire this season we will lose.

IMO: Many of these players just flat out quit this season and quit last season too.
Over paid PRIMA DONAS that don't want to hit and don't want to be hit.

Many of you are going to bash me for saying the TRUTH right now...
But oh well... Its my opinion and I am a season ticket holder since 2002 so I have paid for 4 CLUB BOX Seats and earned the right to be critical of this Crappy Team for 10 years.

Vinny sucks WAY OVER PAID For the production you do not get.
Vinny will not take a hit or give a hit.
Vinny can not score a goal even if the goalie is absent. PERIOD.
Vinny refuses to battle for the Puck and Win the battle.
Over Paid china doll- no spirit to win.. Just pay him his money all he wants.

Marty St Louis WAY OVER PAID For the production you do not get.
Marty St Louis is just god awful this year and last.
Marty will not take a hit or give a hit.
Marty has become a COWARD and is so slow Snails are passing him by these days..
He merely gives the puck up to the defender everytime they rush him..
Like here you go Sir please dont touch me...
Marty refuses to battle for the Puck and Win the Battle.
He is just god awful on the Power Play at Point.
He has wingspan of a Hummingbird which is why he loses the puck every game on PP.

The opposing defense has TB TOTALLY figured out and does this every PP now- TB enters zone Marty Passes the Puck around for 1 minute........
then when Defense knows Marty is tired they rush him and force bad pass or turnover it has happended just like that for 40 PP in a row.
Marty is to old and has no Spirit for the toughness of the Game.. just wants to assist and pass the puck to Stamkos for one timers. Marty never battles in front of the Net.
Marty has missed so many open Net Chances its laughable- comicable.

Carle and Brewer are so over paid its laughable.
These are not quality D men.
Purcell- and many others have fallen into this Trap that TB is somehow a Finesse Team
and we can win by never being Physical. Every person on this Team needs to start laying the opponents out if you want to win. You have to punish the opposing team for entering your zone. TB does not we give them Tea and Crumpets and ask they play nicely while in our zone.

This whole situation is part:
1. Coaching
2. Bad Players
3. Spolied Players
4. TB Lightning Culture of playing soft.

Until you change Marty and Vinny this team is going nowhere FAST. They are the supposed leaders and everyone watches Marty give the puck up on the PP against Ottawa and just shrug his shoulders at the opposing player skating in on our net.
Never even tried to catch him just put his bobble head on his teenage body and laughed. That is the TB Culture in a NUT SHELL.
I've always had plenty to say about Vinny, very little of it good. And god knows, I've indulged in my fair share of Marty bashing this year. But, wow!

Vinny looked better this season than he has in years. All the way up to that slap shot to his foot. I didn't want Boucher fired, but I find it bad that Vinny was kept in the lineup when he was so obviously injured. Had he been sat out and allowed to recover, maybe he'd be back by now. And he led the team in hits for quite some time.

And that you would label Marty a coward absolutely astounds me. I think I would be angry except I'm still shocked. Does he look less than in seasons past? Yes, I think so. But I sincerely doubt it has anything to do with fear or lack of desire to win. Way off base.

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Boucher was a minor league coach that had success?

Why would we repeat that mistake with another minor league coach?
You could say Cooper was a better coaching prospect than Boucher. Boucher found notoriety through team Canada and CHL, while Cooper won through the less respected USHL. Every person/coach is different. I still believe Boucher is a good coach and will have no problem finding a new job

Number 1- Cooper has won a championship with Norfolk which will be the majority of our team this/next year. It's proven in the AHL with Gudas, Aulie, Conacher, Panik, Palat, Johnson, Killorn, and soon to be other Crunch players.

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Keep your little dreams going then-
I knew all you challenged people would disagree - cause I read all your dumb posts all the time.

Still in Love with Marty and Vinny- living in the past gets you no where in the future.
So wrap your arms around them hug and kiss them good night..

You can't trade Marty no one wants him. PERIOD
You can't trade Vinny no one wants him. Period.

That right there proves my point...
Enuff said

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You could say Cooper was a better coaching prospect than Boucher. Boucher found notoriety through team Canada and CHL, while Cooper won through the less respected USHL. Every person/coach is different. I still believe Boucher is a good coach and will have no problem finding a new job

Number 1- Cooper has won a championship with Norfolk which will be the majority of our team this/next year. It's proven in the AHL with Gudas, Aulie, Conacher, Panik, Palat, Johnson, Killorn, and soon to be other Crunch players.
Better? How much better?

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Why would we repeat that mistake with another minor league coach?
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This is a valid concern.

But Guy came from outside of the organization if I remember correctly. His track record for success wasn't quite as long. Guy didn't have 4+ guys from his team ready to jump to the NHL club with him.

Having these Syracuse players on the Lightning (presuming some make it next season) and not choosing Cooper would be a smack in the face to everyone.

How many coaches are available that have NHL experience + success is another reason - not many.
This is not an attempt to purposely bash Boucher but, that 09-10 Bulldog roster was pretty damn good. Practically the entire roster has, had, or is in the NHL. 6 are in the Lightning Org, 6 are playing with or still in the Habs system, and the remaining majority are sprinkled throughout the NHL (sans Darche - he retired). As was stated above, we were cleaning house after the Koules/Barrie circus. This go around, almost half this team's roster is the make-up of the logical heir apparent.

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Sullivan is interesting, but I think he may go for the NCAA vacancy left by BU. Haviland... not bad, but pass. Martin, no thanks. Eakins is a solid choice, but if you're going to go that route, why not Cooper?
I believe Sullivan's going to replace Jack Parker too there at BU.

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Keep your little dreams going then-
I knew all you challenged people would disagree - cause I read all your dumb posts all the time.

Still in Love with Marty and Vinny- living in the past gets you no where in the future.
So wrap your arms around them hug and kiss them good night..

You can't trade Marty no one wants him. PERIOD
You can't trade Vinny no one wants him. Period.

That right there proves my point...
Enuff said

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Keep your little dreams going then-
I knew all you challenged people would disagree - cause I read all your dumb posts all the time.

Still in Love with Marty and Vinny- living in the past gets you no where in the future.
So wrap your arms around them hug and kiss them good night..

You can't trade Marty no one wants him. PERIOD
You can't trade Vinny no one wants him. Period.

That right there proves my point...
Enuff said
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Well Boucher wasn't getting it done- AGREED.

But - I will say it NOW---
It Doesn't matter who TB Lightning hire this season we will lose.

IMO: Many of these players just flat out quit this season and quit last season too.
Over paid PRIMA DONAS that don't want to hit and don't want to be hit.

Many of you are going to bash me for saying the TRUTH right now...
But oh well... Its my opinion and I am a season ticket holder since 2002 so I have paid for 4 CLUB BOX Seats and earned the right to be critical of this Crappy Team for 10 years.

Vinny sucks WAY OVER PAID For the production you do not get.
Vinny will not take a hit or give a hit.
Vinny can not score a goal even if the goalie is absent. PERIOD.
Vinny refuses to battle for the Puck and Win the battle.
Over Paid china doll- no spirit to win.. Just pay him his money all he wants.

Marty St Louis WAY OVER PAID For the production you do not get.
Marty St Louis is just god awful this year and last.
Marty will not take a hit or give a hit.
Marty has become a COWARD and is so slow Snails are passing him by these days..
He merely gives the puck up to the defender everytime they rush him..
Like here you go Sir please dont touch me...
Marty refuses to battle for the Puck and Win the Battle.
He is just god awful on the Power Play at Point.
He has wingspan of a Hummingbird which is why he loses the puck every game on PP.

The opposing defense has TB TOTALLY figured out and does this every PP now- TB enters zone Marty Passes the Puck around for 1 minute........
then when Defense knows Marty is tired they rush him and force bad pass or turnover it has happended just like that for 40 PP in a row.
Marty is to old and has no Spirit for the toughness of the Game.. just wants to assist and pass the puck to Stamkos for one timers. Marty never battles in front of the Net.
Marty has missed so many open Net Chances its laughable- comicable.

Carle and Brewer are so over paid its laughable.
These are not quality D men.
Purcell- and many others have fallen into this Trap that TB is somehow a Finesse Team
and we can win by never being Physical. Every person on this Team needs to start laying the opponents out if you want to win. You have to punish the opposing team for entering your zone. TB does not we give them Tea and Crumpets and ask they play nicely while in our zone.

This whole situation is part:
1. Coaching
2. Bad Players
3. Spolied Players
4. TB Lightning Culture of playing soft.

Until you change Marty and Vinny this team is going nowhere FAST. They are the supposed leaders and everyone watches Marty give the puck up on the PP against Ottawa and just shrug his shoulders at the opposing player skating in on our net.
Never even tried to catch him just put his bobble head on his teenage body and laughed. That is the TB Culture in a NUT SHELL.

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I see no reason that Eakins to get chosen over Cooper.
Eakins was born in Florida, and you know, since we need help selling the game...

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