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03-26-2013, 02:29 PM
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lol @ Blue Jays rotation being better than the Yankees. I'll believe it when I see it.

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03-26-2013, 02:51 PM
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lol @ Blue Jays rotation being better than the Yankees. I'll believe it when I see it.
Lol @ no counter argument and that they have the second best in the AL.

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03-26-2013, 03:27 PM
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Lol @ no counter argument and that they have the second best in the AL.
The simplest counter argument would be that the Blue Jays are relying on:

-Josh Johnson, who's started 30 games just 3 times in his 8 year career, and is coming off of a thoroughly mediocre year in the NL East last year.

-R.A. Dickey, a 38 year old moving from the NL East's best pitching park to the AL East's best hitters park (which happens to be indoor and have astroturf, both of which could be a big problem for a knuckleballer.)

-Ricky Romero, who was quite literally one of the worst pitchers in baseball last season.

Plenty of reasons to doubt Toronto's pitching.

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03-26-2013, 03:48 PM
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The simplest counter argument would be that the Blue Jays are relying on:

-Josh Johnson, who's started 30 games just 3 times in his 8 year career, and is coming off of a thoroughly mediocre year in the NL East last year.

-R.A. Dickey, a 38 year old moving from the NL East's best pitching park to the AL East's best hitters park (which happens to be indoor and have astroturf, both of which could be a big problem for a knuckleballer.)

-Ricky Romero, who was quite literally one of the worst pitchers in baseball last season.

Plenty of reasons to doubt Toronto's pitching.
Kuroda and Petite average to what, 40?

When one of the reasons to doubt a starting rotation is the reigning Cy Young winner, that seems like a good enough place to be.

Anyway, I'm not sure what the point of this exercise is, can't wait for next week.

Oh, and this is hilarious, Yankees couldn't keep Martin, but here's Wellsy!


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03-26-2013, 04:06 PM
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Kuroda and Petite average to what, 40?

When one of the reasons to doubt a starting rotation is the reigning Cy Young winner, that seems like a good enough place to be.

Anyway, I'm not sure what the point of this exercise is, can't wait for next week.

Oh, and this is hilarious, Yankees couldn't keep Martin, but here's Wellsy!
Not sure what the point of averaging two people's ages could be, but Pettitte is 40 and Kuroda is 38.

For the Jays, I think that Dickey will be good. Johnson I'm not as confident in (and as for Romero, I honestly have no idea why he could've fallen off a cliff like that.)

And as to your last point, it's all about next year -- they would've had to pay Martin $7.5 million next year (when they're trying to get under the luxury tax), and they'll only have to pay Wells about $2 million.

That said, I'm sure Cashman would've sprung for Martin if he could have known in July that he wouldn't have Granderson or Teixeira (much less A-Rod and Jeter) to start the season. But, as I've said, the Yankees current problems have been developing for years -- it's time to finally pay the piper for a decade of schizophrenic team-building.

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03-26-2013, 04:11 PM
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With all those injuries and old lineup I think Ferguson could very well have the right prediction for the Yankees this season...

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/scott_ferguson/?id=417649

Last place finish.

Would love to see it happen.

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The simplest counter argument would be that the Blue Jays are relying on:

-Josh Johnson, who's started 30 games just 3 times in his 8 year career, and is coming off of a thoroughly mediocre year in the NL East last year.

-R.A. Dickey, a 38 year old moving from the NL East's best pitching park to the AL East's best hitters park (which happens to be indoor and have astroturf, both of which could be a big problem for a knuckleballer.)

-Ricky Romero, who was quite literally one of the worst pitchers in baseball last season.

Plenty of reasons to doubt Toronto's pitching.
Completely agree. Don't forget Buehrle who is a mediocre pitcher at best.

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Completely agree. Don't forget Buehrle who is a mediocre pitcher at best.
Yes, and almost any rotation will have a mediocre pitcher.

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03-26-2013, 05:33 PM
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Not so much that but so much the Yankees have a pedigree of winning and a manager who knows how to get everything out of the players he is given.


If I was a fan of any team in the East I would say the same things. Trying to make something out of nothing goes a long way on a message board but not so much in reality.

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Fangraphs did pitcher rankings. Yankees finished 5th, Jays 14th.

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03-26-2013, 05:49 PM
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Projection sites are rarely very accurate so I'm not going to even look into it.

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03-26-2013, 05:56 PM
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Projection sites are rarely very accurate so I'm not going to even look into it.
So are yearly predictions, Vegas odds..........

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Fangraphs did pitcher rankings. Yankees finished 5th, Jays 14th.
The projections are incredibly conservative. Romero with 130 IP? Unlikely, especially now that he's been sent down. Dickey, JJ, Morrow, all with ERAs and FIPs around the 4 mark? Unlikely. Not related to the Jays, but Verlander having a BABIP hovering around .300 and a 3.19 FIP? That hasn't happened in 4-5 years.

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03-26-2013, 07:48 PM
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CC, Kuroda, Pettite, Huges, Nova

Sale,Peavy,Danks,Floyd, Quintana
CC had two stints on the DL last year for the 1st time in his career.
Kuroda is an old man coming off a career year.
Pettitte is like 50, isn't he? 20-23 starts at best.
Hughes is injured.
Nova.......who?

Yeah, that sure sums up the 2nd best staff in the AL.

As I've stated many times, the Yankees have painted themselves into a corner.
The fans thought the wild spending would go on forever.
Well, the league had other plans.

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03-26-2013, 10:36 PM
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A's have a pretty good staff, too.....

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03-26-2013, 10:53 PM
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A's have a pretty good staff, too.....
They always seem to have a good staff every year, but I think a lot of it has to do with pitching half of their games in a great pitchers park. I do like Brett Anderson if he can stay healthy, but not sold yet on the rest of the staff, though Parker is a sleeper type guy.

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03-26-2013, 11:30 PM
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CC had two stints on the DL last year for the 1st time in his career.
Kuroda is an old man coming off a career year.
Pettitte is like 50, isn't he? 20-23 starts at best.
Hughes is injured.
Nova.......who?

Yeah, that sure sums up the 2nd best staff in the AL.

As I've stated many times, the Yankees have painted themselves into a corner.
The fans thought the wild spending would go on forever.
Well, the league had other plans.
But all this means what this year?

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Fangraphs did pitcher rankings. Yankees finished 5th, Jays 14th.
And the Giants were ranked 16th.

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They always seem to have a good staff every year, but I think a lot of it has to do with pitching half of their games in a great pitchers park. I do like Brett Anderson if he can stay healthy, but not sold yet on the rest of the staff, though Parker is a sleeper type guy.

Parker is a potential ace. I like him almost as much as Anderson. Almost.

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I'd say Detroit has the best rotation in the AL

Agree. 2nd best rotation in baseball after Nats.

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Martini is the best poster here. Never ending hilarity!

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And the Giants were ranked 16th.
The Giants rank that low because they probably do not have even one replacement-level starting pitcher in the organization apart from the 5 starters that make up their rotation. They have no depth to absorb a potential injury to even one of their major league starters. Their track record of developing young pitchers and keeping them healthy is probably superior to any other team over the last 5+ years; Cain, Lincecum, and Bumgarner all have avoided the typical injury/drop-off expectations that come with continued increases in IP early in careers. But still, when the 6th and 7th best starting pitchers in your organization are Boof Bonser and Erik Surkamp, that is a bit worrisome. Still, you have to remember that Matt Cain is a Sabremetrics-defying outlier and that his BABIP will always throw off FIP projections that come from a standard formula. After 1500 innings in the majors, a career BABIP of .264, and a career ERA almost 1 full run lower than his career FIP, he has pretty much proven that he can control batted balls to an extent that most pitchers can't. Fangraphs freely admits that he will outperform their projection. Bump Cain up from his projected 3.5 WAR just by 1 win, and the Giants are in the top-10, which isn't bad considering that they are there solely because of their top three starters. In all honesty, Cain is probably a 4.5-5 WAR starter.

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They always seem to have a good staff every year, but I think a lot of it has to do with pitching half of their games in a great pitchers park. I do like Brett Anderson if he can stay healthy, but not sold yet on the rest of the staff, though Parker is a sleeper type guy.
They also pitch a lot of their games in hitters parks. They have depth and a solid bullpen. They'll have one of the best pitching staffs again this year.

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So are yearly predictions, Vegas odds..........
I would argue that its a little different when money is involved.

Don't get me wrong, the Jays have to prove themselves.. But Vegas has them atop because they believe in their ability to live up to expectations... By giving them the best odds, they allow people to potentially make more money from betting on another team to win.

How do the White Sox have the best rotation? The same rotation that failed to get them into the playoffs in a weak central division?

The Tigers have the best rotation and I'd argue the A's have the best staff top to bottom. The White Sox aren't even close to being in that conversation.

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