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03-26-2013, 06:53 AM
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Hartnell to Mtl...

I really like Hartnell. I see him playing on line with DD and Gally or even Pleky and Gionta.

Hartnell - Pleky - Gionta
Max Pac - DD - Gally
Bourque - Galchy - Ryder
Prust - Halpern - Eller

Would you trade him Flyers fans?

What would it take?

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03-26-2013, 07:03 AM
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ah, we can only dream.

but not happening unless we overpay for his services.

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03-26-2013, 07:09 AM
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I really like Hartnell. I see him playing on line with DD and Gally or even Pleky and Gionta.

Hartnell - Pleky - Gionta
Max Pac - DD - Gally
Bourque - Galchy - Ryder
Prust - Halpern - Eller

Would you trade him Flyers fans?

What would it take?
a Bag of pucks!! Never liked the way he plays, can't stand up and takes dumb penalties. If he waves his no trade clause, then a second round pick in this years draft.

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A lifetime supply of poutine.
But on a more serious note it will probably have to be a severe overpayment.

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a Bag of pucks!! Never liked the way he plays, can't stand up and takes dumb penalties. If he waves his no trade clause, then a second round pick in this years draft.
As a supposed flyer fan, that's just a ridiculous comment concerning a guy who scored 37 goals last year. Yeah he's worthless.

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03-26-2013, 07:19 AM
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I really like Hartnell. I see him playing on line with DD and Gally or even Pleky and Gionta.

Hartnell - Pleky - Gionta
Max Pac - DD - Gally
Bourque - Galchy - Ryder
Prust - Halpern - Eller

Would you trade him Flyers fans?

What would it take?

I wouldn't mind Hartnell in a Habs jersey but if it's going to take an overpayment and moving Eller to the 4th line , then I wouldn't want any part of it .

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03-26-2013, 07:28 AM
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1st + Beaulieu.

If they want more we hang up the phone.

Nothing has indicated that Bergevin might be willing to trade his 1st or prospects though.

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03-26-2013, 07:30 AM
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Who plays LW for the Flyers if Hartnell is traded?

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Who plays LW for the Flyers if Hartnell is traded?
cant one of Voracek, Simmonds or G play off wing?


Off topic but Darren Dregger said that Briere would waive his NMC to come to Montreal, have you heard anything like that in Philly??

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cant one of Voracek, Simmonds or G play off wing?


Off topic but Darren Dregger said that Briere would waive his NMC to come to montreal, have you heard anything like that in Philly??
Well, Giroux is a center.

Voracek plays the off-wing already. He's LH, but has always played on the right side, and there's no reason to think that he'd thrive if swapped.

Simmonds? Maybe. But then there's a hole at RW.

The Flyers have some depth up the middle, but not on the wings.

I've never been the biggest fan of Hartnell, but his value is a difficult thing to gauge. When he's on, he's a great combination of scoring and sandpaper, but when he stops producing, he tends to become very undisciplined, constantly taking ill-advised penalties. You didn't see this last year because he was producing, but it does seem to be the case now.

I don't imagine he's a player that the team is going to move.

EDIT: I don't believe Dreger said that. I think he used Briere as the hypothetical example of two teams making a deal for the remainder of the season and then somehow sharing the buyout. I'm not sure what exactly he meant, as I did not hear the report. But that was what a few of the posters here suggested was said. I'd imagine it would be something like the Flyers paying half his remaining salary for the season, which would offset what MTL would have to pay to buyout the last two years of the deal.

Briere is out with a concussion now, though. So I doubt he gets moved).

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I doubt Hartnell ever leaves Philly but he would be the perfect fit in Montreal. As a Leaf fan I hope you either massively overpay for him or never get him

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Well, Giroux is a center.

Voracek plays the off-wing already. He's LH, but has always played on the right side, and there's no reason to think that he'd thrive if swapped.

Simmonds? Maybe. But then there's a hole at RW.

The Flyers have some depth up the middle, but not on the wings.

I've never been the biggest fan of Hartnell, but his value is a difficult thing to gauge. When he's on, he's a great combination of scoring and sandpaper, but when he stops producing, he tends to become very undisciplined, constantly taking ill-advised penalties. You didn't see this last year because he was producing, but it does seem to be the case now.

I don't imagine he's a player that the team is going to move.

EDIT: I don't believe Dreger said that. I think he used Briere as the hypothetical example of two teams making a deal for the remainder of the season and then somehow sharing the buyout. I'm not sure what exactly he meant, as I did not hear the report. But that was what a few of the posters here suggested was said. I'd imagine it would be something like the Flyers paying half his remaining salary for the season, which would offset what MTL would have to pay to buyout the last two years of the deal.

Briere is out with a concussion now, though. So I doubt he gets moved).

He was just on MTL radio and he cleared up what he said. He said that Briere would never waive his NMC, but if the Flyers GM came to him and said that he would be a candidate to be bought out in the summer then he might change his tune about waiving it to come to Montreal or any other team that might have interest.

Edit: I dont think that Habs would have much interest at that price anyways, I could see it in the summer if he is bought out, then he could be had for a much more reasonable contract.

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I think he used Briere as the hypothetical example of two teams making a deal for the remainder of the season and then somehow sharing the buyout. I'm not sure what exactly he meant, as I did not hear the report. But that was what a few of the posters here suggested was said. I'd imagine it would be something like the Flyers paying half his remaining salary for the season, which would offset what MTL would have to pay to buyout the last two years of the deal.

Briere is out with a concussion now, though. So I doubt he gets moved).
I think the Habs are saving their remaining buyout for Kaberle, assuming he's not dealt. They already used one on Gomez.

Given that, I don't think the Habs would be the right team for the Flyers to make such a deal with, unless they take Kaberle as part of the deal.

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I think the Habs are saving their remaining buyout for Kaberle, assuming he's not dealt. They already used one on Gomez.

Given that, I don't think the Habs would be the right team for the Flyers to make such a deal with, unless they take Kaberle as part of the deal.
Makes sense.

Briere's contract is a problem for cap teams and a benefit for budget teams. The problem is, few budget teams are contenders, and for Briere to accept a trade, it would probably have to be to a team with a shot at winning the cup.


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How about Hartnell for a 2nd and Tinordi.

Read can move up to the 1st to play LW for the balance of the eyar and revisit in the off season.

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How about Hartnell for a 2nd and Tinordi.

Read can move up to the 1st to play LW for the balance of the eyar and revisit in the off season.
I don't think that gets it done.

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Makes sense.

Briere's contract is a problem for cap teams and a benefit for budget teams. The problem is, few budget teams are contenders, and for Briere to accept a trade, it would probably have to be to a team with a shot at winning the cup.

(Briere's buyout ($3.3) is actually lower than Kaberle's ($7.25)
Kaberle buyout is only 2/3 of 4.5 so it 2.75 buyout ... Since we buyout this Summer he will only have 1 year left !

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Stars are aligned for Habs this year. Markov is healthy, core players are having great years. Before shelf life expires on Therrein or above reverses, they should acquire a player to increase chances for a cup. Not sure if it Hartnell or not. That is another topic.

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Kaberle buyout is only 2/3 of 4.5 so it 2.75 buyout ... Since we buyout this Summer he will only have 1 year left !
You're right. I misread capgeek--thought he had two years left.

EDIT: also, my math was off. Even if he had two years left, his buyout would be something like $5.8. Lesson, don't attempt math before finishing first cup of coffee.


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Makes sense.

Briere's contract is a problem for cap teams and a benefit for budget teams. The problem is, few budget teams are contenders, and for Briere to accept a trade, it would probably have to be to a team with a shot at winning the cup.

(Briere's buyout ($3.3) is actually lower than Kaberle's ($7.25)
I think you're mistaken. Kaberle has one year left on his deal that would pay him $4.25M. His buyout would be $2.83M.

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There is no reason to deal Hartnell. Guy is locked in long term in Philly and he's a fan favorite (and relatively productive to boot). Flyers won't move him for peanuts, and Montreal will scoff at the expected price. No reason to move him for picks/futures.

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1st + Beaulieu.

If they want more we hang up the phone.

Nothing has indicated that Bergevin might be willing to trade his 1st or prospects though.
Why juste not wait until the free agency market opens and sign one of clarkson, clowe, or horton ... If we sign one of these (instead of resigning Ryder), there's no need to give assets for it at first, and then you will not penalize a Lars Eller that finally seems to play as he should.

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Why juste not wait until the free agency market opens and sign one of clarkson, clowe, or horton ... If we sign one of these (instead of resigning Ryder), there's no need to give assets for it at first, and then you will not penalize a Lars Eller that finally seems to play as he should.
Because Hartnell is better than all three of those guys and the point is to give you a better chance at winning the cup now.

I like Bealieu+1st, but considering Morrow's return there has to be one better. Especially from Chicago/Boston.

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I don't think that gets it done.
it might not get it done, but Habs would never do it. Habs have needed what Tinordi offers longer than they have with Hartnell. And Tinordi finally cracked the top 6

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How about Hartnell for a 2nd and Tinordi.

Read can move up to the 1st to play LW for the balance of the eyar and revisit in the off season.
Montreal will not deal Tinordi. Tinordi represents the organizations greatest need. Hartnell is a very good player and it would take that kind of offer to get him, but Montreal won't make it.

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