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03-26-2013, 11:47 AM
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Except Gionta, Kovy and Zubrus are all injured. We won't be 100% set until four weeks from now at the very most.
Yeah but then you still have an under contract (one way contract) that will have to go when everyone's healthy.

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I honestly think this team is set right now.

Henrique-Loktionov-Kovalchuk
Elias-Zajac-Clarkson
Ponikarovsky-Zubrus-D'Agostini
Carter-Gionta-Bernier
Unfortunately, that is a month away from happening.

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03-26-2013, 11:52 AM
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Fully healthy like this, the forwards aren't half bad. We should just trade one of our defensemen for a pick or obviously get a top 6 winger if the opportunity arises(which it probably wont). Fully healthy we are capable of winning a playoff series if we play like we're capable.
If the guys play like they did last night WITH Kovy/Poni/Zubes in the lineup then I'm honestly confident that the boys can make a run to be honest.

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03-26-2013, 12:01 PM
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Fully healthy like this, the forwards aren't half bad. We should just trade one of our defensemen for a pick or obviously get a top 6 winger if the opportunity arises(which it probably wont). Fully healthy we are capable of winning a playoff series if we play like we're capable.
Jussi is a top six forward. We'd be getting him for free if successful at getting the guy via waivers (if Lou even submits a claim) If that works then just trade Tallinder or another roster defenseman for picks (considering we traded a bunch away.)

Doesn't seem too hard. Realistically. I would send down Gionta and have Carter as the fourth line center but that isn't gonna happen...Lou and PDB will not break up that CBGB chemistry.

When healthy (and if we do get Jokinen) I'd like to see these lines given a try:

Jokinen-Lokti-Kovy
Elias-Zajac-Clarkson
Zubrus-Henrique-D'Agostini
Poni-Carter-Bernier

Baby Gio and YaYo would become your extras at center and LW respectively. That depth we would have suddenly becomes unreal.

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03-26-2013, 12:03 PM
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I think Lou is done trading, when the team is fully healthy there won't be room for another acquisition. This is what we've got

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03-26-2013, 12:05 PM
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Unfortunately, that is a month away from happening.
They are our "trade deadline acquisitions" to quote Lou on Zajac last year.

When do the playoffs start? Will they be ready?

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03-26-2013, 12:07 PM
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We get two points last night if Juicy shot instead of Henrique.

People like to **** on the SO for being a gimmick, but forget how incredibly valuable that extra point is.

25 teams have missed the playoffs by five points or less since the lockout, 16 of them were .500 or worse in the shootout.

This, IMO, is where losing Zach hurts the most. How many points have we gotten just because of him being good in the SO? Too many to count.

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03-26-2013, 12:14 PM
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They are our "trade deadline acquisitions" to quote Lou on Zajac last year.

When do the playoffs start? Will they be ready?
Unlike last year, we have to worry about getting there first.

9th place is only 5 points back with 3 games in hand.

We need to make moves or we won't even have a chance for those guys to come back and make a difference. Kovy and Zubrus are still weeks away, Gio we have no clue on, and Poni wasn't even effective when he was in the lineup.

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03-26-2013, 12:20 PM
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Trade speculation

We weigh in with some trade speculation as well as some thoughts and observations from last night.

http://devilsinsiders.com/2013/03/26/fifteen-games-to-go-thoughts-observations-and-trade-speculation/

I wonder if Jagr could become a possibility if Dallas falls off. He'd be a nice fit. I never thought i'd say that about him, but he's had a very nice season.

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03-26-2013, 12:22 PM
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Jussi is a top six forward. We'd be getting him for free if successful at getting the guy via waivers (if Lou even submits a claim) If that works then just trade Tallinder or another roster defenseman for picks (considering we traded a bunch away.)

Doesn't seem too hard. Realistically. I would send down Gionta and have Carter as the fourth line center but that isn't gonna happen...Lou and PDB will not break up that CBGB chemistry.

When healthy (and if we do get Jokinen) I'd like to see these lines given a try:

Jokinen-Lokti-Kovy
Elias-Zajac-Clarkson
Zubrus-Henrique-D'Agostini
Poni-Carter-Bernier

Baby Gio and YaYo would become your extras at center and LW respectively. That depth we would have suddenly becomes unreal.
I'd rather a big body a la Zubrus on Lotki and Kovy's line. Jussi is so soft. I think RG mentioned Stalberg the other day(which would be an offseason move bc CHI aint gonna trade someone now). He'd fit in nicely. Really fast, big, good on the forecheck, can cycle. I don't want any more softies. I'd rather get a big powerful player with speed (hard to come by tho).

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03-26-2013, 12:22 PM
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We're at 50 contracts now. We can't make a waiver pickup without losing someone to waivers ourselves first.
I'm no expert on contracts but I know Boucher doesn't count till next year, that's when his ELC starts.

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I'm no expert on contracts but I know Boucher doesn't count till next year, that's when his ELC starts.
Boucher's not on the 50-man list. We are actually at 48, my mistake, as Scarlett and Severson don't count against our list.

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03-26-2013, 12:55 PM
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serious question, is that what urbom is? honestly, i dont remember anything about him except his goal or awesome play or something in our last game of that dreaded year. i always thought he had SOME offensive ability- a little more than salvador, but less than zid
He' skilled but he's not producing at all in Albany and his shot/game numbers are regressing.

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03-26-2013, 12:57 PM
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Boucher's not on the 50-man list. We are actually at 48, my mistake, as Scarlett and Severson don't count against our list.
I believe it's actually 47 as we sent Matteau back to juniors as well.

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I didn't watch a lot of AHL games this year, so he's maybe overused in a shutdown role, but 7 pts in 58 AHL games are still not enough. Hoping for an Henrique 2.0 though, skills are there.

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I believe it's actually 47 as we sent Matteau back to juniors as well.
Hasn't his contract already "slid", so regardless where he plays he still counts?

If Boucher goes to Albany, or Merrill signs, those contracts will be for next year and they'd go to Albany on ATO's.

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I didn't watch a lot of AHL games this year, so he's maybe overused in a shutdown role, but 7 pts in 58 AHL games are still not enough. Hoping for an Henrique 2.0 though, skills are there.
He was never going to be a real offensive force, but he's not inept and he has the patience and vision to make good passes out of the zone. He's also extremely mobile for his size. Think of a bigger Tallinder that actually knows how to use his size to gain an advantage. His game always kinda reminded me of Fayne's, except with a little more confidence in the O-zone.

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03-26-2013, 01:13 PM
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Hasn't his contract already "slid", so regardless where he plays he still counts?

If Boucher goes to Albany, or Merrill signs, those contracts will be for next year and they'd go to Albany on ATO's.
If Jokinen comes here it's not like we DON'T have parts we can get rid of...

Sestito, Kostopoulos, Pesonen, Janssen...

All expendable contracts. (We have Barch to be our token goon. We don't need Cam anyway.)

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very confident we claim jokinen.

Even more confident that he wont make it to us. If the islanders dont claim him, the rangers will.

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So Matteau should not count as one of the 50 now per the bottom.

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Organizations have four different personnel limitations to manage under the current NHL Collective Bargaining Agreement: a 20-player “dressed list” for games, a 23-player active NHL roster, a 50-contract maximum, and a 90-player maximum reserve list.

Franchises are only allowed to have up to 90 players on the reserve list, meaning players that have signed a standard player contract (SPC) or unsigned draft choices. Teams are only permitted to have up to 50 players signed to contracts for any given season, including those for the players on the active roster, on loan and injured reserve lists.

Players assigned to their junior teams cannot be recalled until the completion of their team’s season unless it’s an emergency (which we won’t see in this era of the NHL).

According to Article 16 Section 4, the 23-man roster limit is in place from the conclusion of the preseason until 12:01 am on the day of the NHL’s Trade Deadline. After that teams are allowed to have an unlimited active roster at the NHL level, provided players are signed to one of their 50 contract slots (note: players assigned back to their junior clubs do not count towards the 50).

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I know not all players get a say in where or whether they are traded, but doesn't the fact that we are missing a bunch of big bodies ((Kovy, Zubrus, Poni) Gionta is our statistical big body for hits ) make a player not want to be traded to NJ?

At least not one for a rental, when other teams such as PIT and BOS and VAN are still out there... Because a rental is more for a Stanley Cup win, when we might not even make the playoffs...

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The thing is we'll have a decent roster a month from now. The other thing is we might not get a chance to watch them play because of the current state this team is in. The playoffs are in major danger. I just thnk the loss of Kovalchuk will be too great to overcome unfortunately.

Our forward group right now is pathetic.

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The thing is we'll have a decent roster a month from now. The other thing is we might not get a chance to watch them play because of the current state this team is in. The playoffs are in major danger. I just thnk the loss of Kovalchuk will be too great to overcome unfortunately.

Our forward group right now is pathetic.
Unfortunately, our D group is pretty pathetic as well... Only thing keeping our D together is our system, not the players

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Wrong.

Boucher was fired cause he was handed a borderline NHL caliber blueline and a goalie tandem that is just brutal. Mix both of those things together and you have a team that has high hopes with studs like Stamkos, Hedman, Vinny, MSL, etc... who are going nowhere.

The locker room was shocked when they announced on sunday morning that Boucher was canned. Martin St-Louis gave a interview on RDS, saying that the news cought everyone by surprise and that he didn't deserve the faith he got.

If he would be wiling to land a job as a assistant, he would be perfect for us. He's a wizard when it comes to operating a PP and lord knows how we can use someone to help our mediocre PP. I would garantee you this... Kovy would be playing on the left half board, ala Stamkos, instead of the point.
He would definitely change our offensive schemes but there is no way he doesn't get another head coaching job this summer. Teams know he's a good coach.

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Kovy what are you doing? Get off the point! Up the to left half boards NOW! Hey Patty WTF is with all this musical chairs BS?

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