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05-26-2013, 06:48 PM
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I train in the same gym as bordeleau, his number one priority is to resign with Colorado
...re-sign with COL or resign from COL??

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The aftermath was a five minute powerplay and they didn't score.
They didn't score enough, period.
They were beaten by a very very hot goaltender.

People point to the 7 game loss to the Bruins as being intimidation, toughness, blah, blah, blah.

Sorry, but Tim Thomas (right-wing nutjob he may be) won the Conn Smythe Trophy for a reason that spring.

In the game in which Eller was hit, the Canadiens had 50 shots! 50 SHOTS! And, they couldn't win.

Having a goon, enforcer, tough player who can fight, homme robuste, or whatever kind of euphemism you want to make up won't do anything AFTER THE FACT. You cannot "unring the bell." Eller was gone. You, yourself said, as much. Having Bordeleau or some other "homme fort" just puts you in a position of running around worrying about revenge or something useless that leads to penalties that put you at a disadvantage WHEN YOU CANNOT SCORE!

One more time: Anderson faced 50 shots and won! If you put 50 shots on net, you should win. If you want to stick up for your teammate, you score on the FIVE (freaking) MINUTE power play.

Teach Gryba a lesson: SCORE!

What part of this can you people not understand?
How in the world does letting a goon run around accomplish the one thing they needed to do, and continue to need to do: score on or off the powerplay?

50 shots and they lost!

50 shots and they lost!

Clearly, they weren't demoralized.
Clearly, they weren't intimidated.
Clearly, they weren't pushed around.

How do I know this?

Achieving 50 shots takes an awful lot of effort, commitment, desire, grit, determination, tenacity, "compete level," intestinal fortitude, or whatever cliche is the one of the day.

Scoring takes talent.

Last time I looked, goons don't have any.
After that rant from a poster named Chris Nilan, I have strong need to change my name to Pacifist.

We could reach unheard of levels of irony on this thread.

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05-26-2013, 08:14 PM
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we're done, facing the DRW and their bottom 6 filled with goons will be horrible to watch
Red Wings will adapt to their new division.

Ken Holland is not a fool.

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If Bordeleau re-sign with COL, the main target should be Mcgrattan. After that, we should look in the ahl

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...re-sign with COL or resign from COL??

re-sign with COL

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05-27-2013, 12:49 AM
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We could try to get one (enforcer a la Neil, Bordeleau)...it can never guarantee full protection but worth a try (especially against teams like Bos, Toronto).

Prust needs help.
(I used to say Moen and White need help!! now it's Prust!).

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Red Wings will adapt to their new division.

Ken Holland is not a fool.
DRW are, as of now, playing in a way more physical conference (West) and very few of us remember the last time they played a decent enforcer...

if anything, they'll give hockey clinics to any team willing to run around trying to go head hunting.

DRW arent that physical of a team, rarely have a goon in their lineup - even less a good one... and I have yet to see teams trying to intimidate them, not even western teams...

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05-27-2013, 05:12 AM
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DRW are, as of now, playing in a way more physical conference (West) and very few of us remember the last time they played a decent enforcer...

if anything, they'll give hockey clinics to any team willing to run around trying to go head hunting.

DRW arent that physical of a team, rarely have a goon in their lineup - even less a good one... and I have yet to see teams trying to intimidate them, not even western teams...
Hate to burst your bubble, but the North East is easily the toughest division in hockey.

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05-27-2013, 06:25 AM
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Hate to burst your bubble, but the North East is easily the toughest division in hockey.
So, you too think Babcock will turn his group into a dumb dump and chase team ?

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So, you too think Babcock will turn his group into a dumb dump and chase team ?
No but he WILL adjust the the realities he faces now that dictates that he will now meet bigger and tougher teams on a much more regular basis. Hes not dumb: he will adapt or not even make the playoffs

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Sounds like we have fertile ground for a wager:

Will Detroit toughen up now that they are in a new division?

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DRW are, as of now, playing in a way more physical conference (West) and very few of us remember the last time they played a decent enforcer...
You're living in the past buddy, no way in hell the western conference more dangerous than ours. That all changed when NY signed Booregaard a few years back.

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05-27-2013, 08:15 AM
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It's basic probability. If a event happens with a probability of x then the probability of it not happening is 1-x.

You can measure the average number of dirty hits teams without enforcers receive and compare it to the average of teams with enforcers. The key is getting a large enough sample size of teams with/without enforcers over a long enough period.
And where do you base those stats on exactly? It's subjective at best.

However, to think that rats won't think twice before doing those cheap shots if the instigator rule was killed and with a few tough guys on the other side is refusing to see reality in my opinion.

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DRW are, as of now, playing in a way more physical conference (West) and very few of us remember the last time they played a decent enforcer...

if anything, they'll give hockey clinics to any team willing to run around trying to go head hunting.

DRW arent that physical of a team, rarely have a goon in their lineup - even less a good one... and I have yet to see teams trying to intimidate them, not even western teams...


-east is tougher.(North-east is the more physical and the most intimidating imo)

-Downey was decent with them at the end of his career not to long ago.

-Wings struggle when they get bullied. (see game vs Anaheim since the lock-out. Even if the ducks were a inferior team, the game were always tight because of the physical aspect that the wings couldn't follow. This year, the ducks were soft so......)

-wings are a soft team. Dumbass team that scrath there most physical player in Tootoo. Bunch of ******....

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the NE is easily the toughest division in the NHL. the DRW will adapt. AND they have played with goons before....Probert, Kocur, Mccarty, Downey...etc...

they signed tootoo and the thing is, the don't have a small team. sure they can be grittier, but their top 6 are not necessarily small guys that lose puck battles.

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I agree with icerocket here. The NHL is a bush league and will never be taken seriously as long as it stays the way it is.
Rephrasing:
"As long as the NHL stay in a shape where the Habs cannot compete with their current setup, it's going to be a bush league."

Let's stop whining and follow the trend. You can be arrogant and think your way is the best one when you're in the picture year in and year out. When you've won **** for 20 years though, you normally tend to be more open minded.

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wait, where's everybody ?

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-east is tougher.(North-east is the more physical and the most intimidating imo)

-Downey was decent with them at the end of his career not to long ago.

-Wings struggle when they get bullied. (see game vs Anaheim since the lock-out. Even if the ducks were a inferior team, the game were always tight because of the physical aspect that the wings couldn't follow. This year, the ducks were soft so......)

-wings are a soft team. Dumbass team that scrath there most physical player in Tootoo. Bunch of ******....
Downey ?



dumbass team took out the #3 team (whole league) in the first round and have a good chance of taking out the #1 team (whole leage again) in the second round...


too bad our team isnt as dumb as them

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the NE is easily the toughest division in the NHL. the DRW will adapt. AND they have played with goons before....Probert, Kocur, Mccarty, Downey...etc...

they signed tootoo and the thing is, the don't have a small team. sure they can be grittier, but their top 6 are not necessarily small guys that lose puck battles.
sure they did, Probert, Kocur and co were on the DRW 20 years ago or so...

the only recents fighters they had were Downey (lol) and Tootoo who isnt playing in the playoffs.


Voila, and that's the reason why they'll keep the identity they have, their forwards dont mind going in traffic, they always crash the net, etc...

they've been playing that way for 20 years, they wont change case they now have the Leafs and Bruins in their division, come on now...

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If we had Georges Laraque in the lineup we would have won the cup by now.

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-wings are a soft team. Dumbass team that scrath there most physical player in Tootoo. Bunch of ******....


Are you for real?

The team that is one win away from the Conference Final in the Western conference is led by retards?

Gentlemen, HFBoards has reached a new level of absurdity.

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Downey ?



dumbass team took out the #3 team (whole league) in the first round and have a good chance of taking out the #1 team (whole leage again) in the second round...


too bad our team isnt as dumb as them
Downey got a 8-0-5 record. If it's not decent, I don't know what it is.

And for the Tootoo part, do you think they wouldn't be there with him in their line up? I'm sure you can't even name me one of their 4th liners so give me a break softie

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Sounds like we have fertile ground for a wager:

Will Detroit toughen up now that they are in a new division?
Datsiuk and Zetterberg are tough enough.
They have scary enough with their scoring habilities.

Besides, they have 6 players 6'3" or more and 7 players 212 lbs and more.

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Are you for real?

The team that is one win away from the Conference Final in the Western conference is led by retards?

Gentlemen, HFBoards has reached a new level of absurdity.
So Jay Feaster isn't a ****** because he was the gm of TB when they winned the cup? wanna play?

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Datsiuk and Zetterberg are tough enough.
They have scary enough with their scoring habilities.

Besides, they have 6 players 6'3" or more and 7 players 212 lbs and more.
We have 5'8 players "tougher" than the Wings tall guys. Quincey, Ericsson, Kindl, DeKeyser and Smith are all cream puffs. Size doesn't equal tough.

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