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03-29-2013, 07:18 AM
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Better contract? +5 million for a defenceman that doesn't play PK AT ALL? Yandle has no clue what PK is.

I'd take J-Bouw and his world class shut-down ability for 6.7M any day before some +5 million offensive specialist.
Tied up longer, cheaper etc.

I do think JBow is good defensively but ''world class shut-down ability''.. really?

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World class shut down ability?
Yes. Go and study some Corsis. You know that quality of competition is? Bouwmeester's values have been at Lidström level in recent years. Only because he hasn't produced as much offence (because that is the only thing he is lacking, he is not a 1st PP level quarterback, but at Red Wings he does not have to be, we have those pointmen already), he doesn't get credit of his defensive play. And that's what is really funny.

Typical scapegoat effect when somebody is overpaid. Being overpaid does not make him a bad defenceman defensively. He just lacks that offence, and that's also partially because Flames never has had Red Wings -caliber centers and offensive core. We could live with that overpayment for one year, and then extend him to a more realistic value and go on.


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03-29-2013, 08:28 AM
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Yes. Go and study some Corsis. You know that quality of competition is? Bouwmeester's values have been at Lidström level in recent years. Only because he hasn't produced as much offence (because that is the only thing he is lacking, he is not a 1st PP level quarterback, but at Red Wings he does not have to be, we have those pointmen already), he doesn't get credit of his defensive play. And that's what is really funny.

Typical scapegoat effect when somebody is overpaid. Being overpaid does not make him a bad defenceman defensively. He just lacks that offence, and that's also partially because Flames never has had Red Wings -caliber centers and offensive core. We could live with that overpayment for one year, and then extend him to a more realistic value and go on.
JBow's relative corsi this year: -12.2. Like this one?

GA on/off: 3.43/3.14

Those aren't elite shutdown numbers to me.

He faces tough competition but he doesn't excel against it. Some goes on team, some possibly on coaching. I think I mentioned on the JBow or trade thread that he doesn't have the support he would have in Detroit. He would probably do better.

I'd like to have him, depending on price but he's not world-class shutdown dman.

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03-29-2013, 11:56 AM
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"We're going to work the phones and explore if there's a move that can make us better," Holland told NHL.com this week. "I'm not going to make a move for the sake of making a move. We're a work in progress. We're trying to have patience, and the more we've been able to hang in the race … it maybe gives me more patience."

"I'm going to explore the market up front to see if there's a fit," Holland said. "I'm going to work the phones a little bit. I've talked to some people. All in all, we go back to last June when Lidstrom retired and we traded the signing rights to Brad Stuart. We thought when we signed Mikael Samuelsson and Damien Brunner and Jordin Tootoo … we hoped we would have more depth up front. We wake up today and we've been sitting out three, four or five forwards in a lot of games … and yet we're hanging in there."

"We've got a younger team and we're trying to rebuild it," Holland said. "We have to decide if now's the time … are we a playoff team, and not only that but is now the time to do something or should we continue letting the kids go? We've probably got better depth than we thought we did when the season started, and the [young players] are going to get better. So we're going to continue to evaluate."

If the right deal materializes, look for Holland to pull the trigger. If not, he can be content standing pat.

"Trades, to me, can't be forced," Holland said. "Trades happen because two sides each get something they want. Even if you think you have a need and want to do it, there has to be a fit. Somebody else has to have a need. It's a responsibility to work the phone and see what's available, but part of our deadline moves will be internal. We hope to get some of our injured people back."
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=662745

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Can we just refer to Holland as Standing Pat from now on since he's so great at it.

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Wings GM Holland has already initiated a few trade discussions with other teams. He wants a top-six winger, depth forward & top-pairing D.

it's too bad this guy is the most unreliable person ever

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03-29-2013, 04:05 PM
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David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 3h
Wings GM Holland has already initiated a few trade discussions with other teams. He wants a top-six winger, depth forward & top-pairing D.

it's too bad this guy is the most unreliable person ever
I think it's good.

Top6 winger and top pairing D? We would have to sell the farm and next two drafts to pull that off.

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03-29-2013, 04:07 PM
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Time to trade Shawn Matthias back. Fleischmann and Kopecky could come in same package.

Send Bertuzzi to Florida.

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David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 3h
Wings GM Holland has already initiated a few trade discussions with other teams. He wants a top-six winger, depth forward & top-pairing D.

it's too bad this guy is the most unreliable person ever
Really? We need more depth forward?

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Unless it's a legitimate top 6er or Jbo for the right price I'm perfectly content with the DD signing as Holland's trade deadline move

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Really? We need more depth forward?
Yes.

I'm sure Sammy, Helm, Bert, Tatar, Mursak, Eaves, Sheahan, Ferraro as extras right now aren't enough.

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Time to trade Shawn Matthias back. Fleischmann and Kopecky could come in same package.

Send Bertuzzi to Florida.
Florida isn't going to trade with a division rival.

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So Iginla went to Pitt for what? Neal trade all over again. Had Iginla wanted to come here, Feaster would've demanded twice the bounty. Eff Bettman!


Can't get over that team right now. Unbelievable gm they've got themselves

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Just to discuss what I posted in the trade board



Gaborik
4th rounder



Filppula
Cleary
Quincey
1st rounder

Wings get their top 6 winger for Datsyuk. Rangers get some of the depth they lost in the Nash trade. Filppula and Cleary are FA's but probably won't be needed by Detroit after this season. Who needs to add?

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03-29-2013, 05:12 PM
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1st rounder is going NOWHERE. The first rounder will probably be around 15-20 overall (bounced in first playoffs round, also could be 12-14 if they just miss the playoffs)

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1st rounder is going NOWHERE. The first rounder will probably be around 15-20 overall (bounced in first playoffs round, also could be 12-14 if they just miss the playoffs)
I agree with this logic. We shouldn't be trading our 1st this year unless we are getting a young top6 or top4 D back.

We already lost 1st for Q, I don't want to trade away another first.

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why may i ask do you feel the DRW should or better yet are in a position to be adding aging and slowing veterans.

we should only be trading for guys 30 and under so that we are not only competitive this season but for the next 5 plus seasons.
Because I believe they could come cheap.
I think we have more than enough both forwards and Dmen for the next season, the question is whether we have enough spots for all those players.

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Just to discuss what I posted in the trade board



Gaborik
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Filppula
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Wings get their top 6 winger for Datsyuk. Rangers get some of the depth they lost in the Nash trade. Filppula and Cleary are FA's but probably won't be needed by Detroit after this season. Who needs to add?
Wings cant afford to add players on the wrong side of 30.

1st round pick isn't going anywhere.

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Wings cant afford to add players on the wrong side of 30.

1st round pick isn't going anywhere.
When it's putting Marian Gaborik on Datsyuk's wing, you bet they can.

Now overpaying for him or someone else, that's another story.

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When it's putting Marian Gaborik on Datsyuk's wing, you bet they can.

Now overpaying for him or someone else, that's another story.
There isn't a single player over 30 that could convince me to trade the Wings 1st round pick for him.

The time to make deadline acquisitions to contend for a cup was 2-3 years ago.

Kenny needs to do what he does best at this point, which is absolutely nothing.

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Assuming Coreau has agreed to a tentative deal with the Red Wings does that make Mrazek available? Just Paterson?

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Assuming Coreau has agreed to a tentative deal with the Red Wings does that make Mrazek available? Just Paterson?
not really. He is here to replace McCollum next year

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Based on what I've seen, Gaborik hasn't looked the same this year. Little slower, not going to scoring areas as willingly.

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If Dallas drops a few more and looks to be out - I'd be pretty jacked if we could somehow rental Jagr to throw on Datsyuks wing assuming he didn't cost too much. Send them one of our plug Dman (White/Quincey, a middling prosepct and a 3rd or something contingent on Jags resigning for another year).

^Woulda been nice to spend that extra 1.5 mill last season and get him ...

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Typical scapegoat effect when somebody is overpaid. Being overpaid does not make him a bad defenceman defensively. He just lacks that offence, and that's also partially because Flames never has had Red Wings -caliber centers and offensive core. We could live with that overpayment for one year, and then extend him to a more realistic value and go on.
Exactly. He's made his money, not sure why some seem to think his next contract won't be for less when obviously it will be,

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