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03-26-2013, 01:25 PM
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Watch this guy go back to being a 50 point player with his new team. Yeah, do not want. Reminds me of Vermette.
I really wanted the Hawks to get Vermette last year.

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03-26-2013, 01:27 PM
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I really wanted the Hawks to get Vermette last year.
FYI- Tallon loves Vermette like we do. Had he been here, we likely would have acquired him if the need for a 2C hadn't been filled already (unlikely, knowing Dale).

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This guy was a consistent 50 point player. Three straight years. 46, 52, and 65. 0.71 points per game.
Down year? Ah, he sucks now. He'll be 30 on April 1st. Washed up, not a doubt.

I guess I can understand why people support Bowman never making moves of real significance. If every non-Blackhawk is terrible, then that attitude actually makes a ton of sense.

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03-26-2013, 01:34 PM
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This guy was a consistent 50 point player. Three straight years. 46, 52, and 65. 0.71 points per game.
Down year? Ah, he sucks now. He'll be 30 on April 1st. Washed up, not a doubt.

I guess I can understand why people support Bowman never making moves of real significance. If every non-Blackhawk is terrible, then that attitude actually makes a ton of sense.
I like Jokinen. I don't see Bowman making a claim on him, though. And even if we did, many other teams have first dibs. So it's all moot, anyway.

Jokinen isn't fit to be a center, he wouldn't really be an upgrade in that sense. If Coach Q used him as LW on a line with Kane, then yes, that would be great. He's a good secondary player. 50 points isn't anything to scoff that. Not to mention, he's a fantastic shootout performer. Toews, Kane, Jokinen. We'd have our third shooter.

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03-26-2013, 01:36 PM
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This guy was a consistent 50 point player. Three straight years. 46, 52, and 65. 0.71 points per game.
Down year? Ah, he sucks now. He'll be 30 on April 1st. Washed up, not a doubt.

I guess I can understand why people support Bowman never making moves of real significance. If every non-Blackhawk is terrible, then that attitude actually makes a ton of sense.
I'm of the opinion that had Jokinen been acquired today for a 7th round pick, the exact same people would be saying something along the lines of "Steal of a trade, that's what you call asset management baby, suck it Bowman haters, he made a move for a good player and waited it out until he could get someone on his terms, there you go, shut up and enjoy the bounty which Stan has so gracefully and righteously bestowed upon your ungrateful *****, #traderStan"

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03-26-2013, 01:38 PM
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I like Jokinen. I don't see Bowman making a claim on him, though. And even if we did, many other teams have first dibs. So it's all moot, anyway.

Jokinen isn't fit to be a center, he wouldn't really be an upgrade in that sense. If Coach Q used him as LW on a line with Kane, then yes, that would be great. He's a good secondary player. 50 points isn't anything to scoff that. Not to mention, he's a fantastic shootout performer. Toews, Kane, Jokinen. We'd have our third shooter.
Yeah, I know JJ isn't a true center. Ideally you slot him in with Kane and Sharp moves back to #2C where he should be. Saad-Toews-Hossa, Jokinen-Sharp-Kane. Sounds pretty awesome to me.

My post was more focused on the baffling "nope, that guy sucks" attitude that a number on this board perpetuate every single time a decent player becomes available.

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03-26-2013, 01:41 PM
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Yeah, I know JJ isn't a true center. Ideally you slot him in with Kane and Sharp moves back to #2C where he should be. Saad-Toews-Hossa, Jokinen-Sharp-Kane. Sounds pretty awesome to me.

My post was more focused on the baffling "nope, that guy sucks" attitude that a number on this board perpetuate every single time a decent player becomes available.
That top six looks damn solid to me.

He definitely doesn't suck, he's just having an off year, which a change of scenery could easily remedy. I would totally be fine with him on the team.

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Watch this guy go back to being a 50 point player with his new team. Yeah, do not want. Reminds me of Vermette.
Vermette's scored 50 points since being traded from Columbus? Or, even put up a PpG pace of 50 points per 82 games?

Didn't think so.

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I'm of the opinion that had Jokinen been acquired today for a 7th round pick, the exact same people would be saying something along the lines of "Steal of a trade, that's what you call asset management baby, suck it Bowman haters, he made a move for a good player and waited it out until he could get someone on his terms, there you go, shut up and enjoy the bounty which Stan has so gracefully and righteously bestowed upon your ungrateful *****, #traderStan"
Too bad your opinion is baseless, on both counts.

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Too bad your opinion is baseless, on both counts.
I'd love for us to claim him and find out. It's a long shot but talk about comedy.

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Jokinen doesn't get luxury of playing with Sharp/Kane

Pretty sure he wouldn't fail as bad as Bolland has as #2 C

Pick up Jokinen and waive/trade Bolland at this point

I will take the guy who tries (Jokinen) every night with inferior talent then Dave Bolland who is MIA in effort most nights
Jokinen has played a lot with Staal and Skinner. he also isn;t going against the other teams top line every night, like Bolland.

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Jokinen adds nothing to this team. Soft, doesn't get dirty, and is NOT the solution to our 2nd line C, considering he rarely even played C in Carolina.

He's been replaced in Carolina by Pat Dwyer and Riley Nash.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jokinen adds nothing to this team.
Besides secondary scoring, depth at left wing, and being a phenomenal shootout guy.

We're not getting him, anyway, so...

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Besides secondary scoring, depth at left wing, and being a phenomenal shootout guy.

We're not getting him, anyway, so...
So Bolland provides secondary scoring, and depth at C, and everyone wants him gone.

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So Bolland provides secondary scoring, and depth at C, and everyone wants him gone.
Bolland provides a vacuum in order to suck all possible offense from his line. He's not the answer for #2 center, and he's too expensive to be a shutdown #3/#4 center. We could worry about this next season, though. When a problem is very visible, it's easy to want the solution ASAP.

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Jokinen doesn't get luxury of playing with Sharp/Kane

Pretty sure he wouldn't fail as bad as Bolland has as #2 C

Pick up Jokinen and waive/trade Bolland at this point

I will take the guy who tries (Jokinen) every night with inferior talent then Dave Bolland who is MIA in effort most nights
Step away from the computer, man!

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Bolland provides a vacuum in order to suck all possible offense from his line. He's not the answer for #2 center, and he's too expensive to be a shutdown #3/#4 center. We could worry about this next season, though. When a problem is very visible, it's easy to want the solution ASAP.
Bolland has more points than Jokinen in 5 less games, so how is he not a secondary scorer, but JJ is?????

This is what I love about this board...


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Bolland has more points than Jokinen in 5 less games, so how is he not a secondary scorer, but JJ is?????

This is what I love about this board...

Because of magic.

They're both having poor seasons.

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Because of magic.

They're both having poor seasons.
So, Jokinen's an affordable option at 3M, while Bolland's overpaid at 3.375M?

The hate for Bolland's hilarious.

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So, Jokinen's an affordable option at 3M, while Bolland's overpaid at 3.375M?

The hate for Bolland's hilarious.
I don't hate Bolland.

Bolland's a UFA after next season, and he'll want a raise. He's not "overpaid," we just can't afford what he'd be paid, in regards to the role he'd be playing on the team. Those are two completely different things. He isn't and shouldn't be a #2 center.

And I already said we could worry about this next season.

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I don't hate Bolland.

Bolland's a UFA after next season, and he'll want a raise. He's not "overpaid," we just can't afford what he'd be paid, in regards to the role he'd be playing on the team. Those are two completely different things.
Premiere shutdown centre, capable of scoring 18-20 goals and 40+ points, getting 3.375M.. some might call that a steal.

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Only problem with Bolland is his health. Not sure I'd ever give him more than a 2 or 3 year deal.

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Premiere shutdown centre, capable of scoring 18-20 goals and 40+ points, getting 3.375M.. some might call that a steal.
That's currently not his role. He's the #2 center this season. And his next contract will be, what, 5 million per? Even if he does go back to being a shutdown center, which he's proven to be great at in the past, shutdown centers shouldn't be paid 4.5-5 million per.

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He's being misused. We tried him at 2C and it didn't work, move on to plan B now and get Bolland back to doing what he did so well for so many years.

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That's currently not his role. He's the #2 center this season. And his next contract will be, what, 5 million per? Even if he does go back to being a shutdown center, which he's proven to be great at in the past, shutdown centers shouldn't be paid 4.5-5 million per.
Shaw's a premiere shutdown centre capable of scoring 18-20 goals and 40+ points per year?

Whether he's the 2nd line centre or the third, Bolland's still Bolland. The team isn't having trouble scoring and their at the top of the standings. It's a "hole" because people want it to be.

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