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03-27-2013, 10:38 AM
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I don't know. Say if someone wanted to give you a top 3 pick for him, would you do it? I would. Or package him for an elite player. I see CoHo settling in as a very good second line scoring center. I don't think his skating will ever allow him to be a top line, go to guy on a competitive team.
Behind whom?

<<waits...>>

Yes, we know, Ennis.

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03-27-2013, 10:45 AM
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Behind whom?

<<waits...>>

Yes, we know, Ennis.
behind our top 3 pick we get this draft

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03-27-2013, 10:52 AM
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Behind whom?

<<waits...>>

Yes, we know, Ennis.
No, I'd dangle him too. They are both the same, good complimentary pieces. If trading either helps me get better, do it.

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behind our top 3 pick we get this draft
Please, Stokesey is already campaigning for Drouin over MacKinnon. We can't possibly displace Ennis to the wing. That'd be too horrible to imagine.

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03-27-2013, 10:56 AM
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No, I'd dangle him too. They are both the same, good complimentary pieces. If trading either helps me get better, do it.
but a few months ago Ennis was a future superstar, now a complimentary piece? which is it?

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03-27-2013, 10:58 AM
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but a few months ago Ennis was a future superstar, now a complimentary piece? which is it?
He's a future super complementary star ... Of course!


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03-27-2013, 10:59 AM
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Leno has been very good since returning. One of our few guys who looks like he belongs in the top 6 of an NHL team.

CoHo played 19 mins last night and didn't have a single shot attempt. That's your future captain and no. 1 center that we're going to build around? He's trade bait just like everyone else on this roster IMO.
We have seen what we have in CH and it isn't consistent enough to be considered for a 1st or even 2nd line center. He is a defensive liability and this is only masked by a rare game here and there of offense.

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03-27-2013, 11:01 AM
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He's a future super complementary star ... Of course!

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03-27-2013, 11:03 AM
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but a few months ago Ennis was a future superstar, now a complimentary piece? which is it?
A few months ago this team wasn't a tire fire.

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behind our top 3 pick we get this draft
Seth Jones would look great at center.

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03-27-2013, 11:29 AM
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We have seen what we have in CH and it isn't consistent enough to be considered for a 1st or even 2nd line center. He is a defensive liability and this is only masked by a rare game here and there of offense.
I agree with him not being consistent enough for a first line center spot but I could easily see him having a solid second line center spot for at least a couple years.

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03-27-2013, 11:31 AM
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He's a future super complementary star ... Of course!

Oh like James Neal

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If either Hodgson or Ennis is our long term #1 Center.... We're in trouble.

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03-27-2013, 11:57 AM
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If either Hodgson or Ennis is our long term #1 Center.... We're in trouble.
Unless they develop and get better in different areas. Or are you saying even if they do develop and get better, they STILL won't be #1 centers? Rather presumptuous isn't it? But your not saying that.... Right?

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We have seen what we have in CH and it isn't consistent enough to be considered for a 1st or even 2nd line center. He is a defensive liability and this is only masked by a rare game here and there of offense.
He just turned 23, and is playing his first full season as a top line center...

Find me another young top line center who is on a bottom feeding team, and manages an Even rating on his team?

Stamkos -8
Gagner -6
Hubderdeau -9
Duchene -5
Giroux -10

Hodgson is Even... on a terrible team...

He's got a long way to go... but if you can't see the growth in his game from when we acquired him to today, and feel comfortable about his continued development, then you are partially blind

Cody Hodgson is 13th in the NHL in Even Strength scoring... that's incredible

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03-27-2013, 12:09 PM
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He just turned 23, and is playing his first full season as a top line center...

Find me another young top line center who is on a bottom feeding team, and manages an Even rating on his team?

Stamkos -8
Gagner -6
Hubderdeau -9
Duchene -5
Giroux -10

Hodgson is Even... on a terrible team...

He's got a long way to go... but if you can't see the growth in his game from when we acquired him to today, and feel comfortable about his continued development, then you are partially blind

Cody Hodgson is 13th in the NHL in Even Strength scoring... that's incredible
Where is your disgust for your own use of +/- and lack of context? Use many emoticons while lecturing yourself.

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Unless they develop and get better in different areas. Or are you saying even if they do develop and get better, they STILL won't be #1 centers? Rather presumptuous isn't it? But your not saying that.... Right?
Oh they'll get better.... just not good enough to be true #1 Centers. They'll both improve offensively ..... but they'll both be below average defensively.

We'll be stuck with a 1B and 2 situation again.

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Oh they'll get better.... just not good enough to be true #1 Centers. They'll both improve offensively ..... but they'll both be below average defensively.

We'll be stuck with a 1B and 2 situation again.
I agree. The raw athleticism to be true #1 centers isn't there.

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Where is your disgust for your own use of +/- and lack of context?
actually there was a ton of context provided.

1st line centers
all on really bad teams
all younger players

I also didn't use the +/- to infer a skillset, as many are apt to do.

the context was, young centers on bad teams... generally have bad +/-.... Hodgson having a respectable +/- (largely driven by his ES offensive production, as I pointed out)... is quite impressive, in the context of his peers in similar situations

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Oh they'll get better.... just not good enough to be true #1 Centers. They'll both improve offensively ..... but they'll both be below average defensively.

We'll be stuck with a 1B and 2 situation again.
I respect your opinion. I do.

How can you or anyone say future definitive statements like "they will both be below average defensively". You simply don't know that! I don't know that! No one knows that! C'mon, your better than this.

In the end you could be dead on. Equally you could be dead wrong.

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If either Hodgson or Ennis is our long term #1 Center.... We're in trouble.
For what's he done on a bad team as a 23 year old, I'm excited for the future with Hodgson.

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03-27-2013, 12:16 PM
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I agree. The raw athleticism to be true #1 centers isn't there.
oh, this is the old, "When you can't support your position with evidence... make **** up"

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Oh they'll get better.... just not good enough to be true #1 Centers. They'll both improve offensively ..... but they'll both be below average defensively.

We'll be stuck with a 1B and 2 situation again.
Hey, while you're looking in that crystal ball, would you mind telling me whether Myers rebounds and how Grigs pans out?

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oh, this is the old, "When you can't support your position with evidence... make **** up"
Not really, it's pretty easy to see they aren't the athletes that the top guys are.

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I respect your opinion. I do.

How can you or anyone say future definitive statements like "they will both be below average defensively". You simply don't know that! I don't know that! No one knows that! C'mon, your better than this.

In the end you could be dead on. Equally you could be dead wrong.
Of course I don't know for sure. That is just my prediction from watching him..or both of them.

Both will be good pieces..but. I don't see #1 in either.

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