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04-28-2013, 08:05 PM
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They aren't going to share time in the playoffs unless Crawford gets lit up for 6+ twice in a row or something.

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They aren't going to share time in the playoffs unless Crawford gets lit up for 6+ twice in a row or something.
I can see Crawford getting yanked after a couple early soft goals.

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04-28-2013, 08:24 PM
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So Q's going to change his extraordinary season-long working recipe because a starting playoff goalie according to HFboards posters must be anointed?

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So Q's going to change his season-long extraordinary working recipe because a starting playoff goalie according to HFboards posters must be annointed?
Well no, it's because Crawford is the starter.

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I can see Crawford getting yanked after a couple early soft goals.
Yanked during a given single game, maybe, but he'd have to do it more than once to lose the starting job.

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04-28-2013, 09:54 PM
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Well no, it's because Crawford is the starter.
B-b-b-b-b-but the facts empirically prove otherwise...they prove that in this championship season, the load is 60/40.

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I would agree with you that if Q was in fixed starter mode, Crow would be the guy. Could back that 7 ways to Sunday. Just teachng you that it ain't the case.


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I'm not completely sure what that post says, but if I'm understanding you correctly, I can just respond with the fact that Huet and Niemi split duties in the 09/10 regular season, but everyone knew Niemi was the #1 going into the playoffs. Just like everyone should realize Crawford's the #1 now.

There is no such thing as "going with the hot hand" in the playoffs. There's a reason you never see teams use that strategy once the regular season ends.

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04-28-2013, 10:12 PM
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I'm not completely sure what that post says, but if I'm understanding you correctly, I can just respond with the fact that Huet and Niemi split duties in the 09/10 regular season, but everyone knew Niemi was the #1 going into the playoffs. Just like everyone should realize Crawford's the #1 now.

There is no such thing as "going with the hot hand" in the playoffs. There's a reason you never see teams use that strategy once the regular season ends.
Not until Q proves it this year. No team in prior history could, and believe me, I've done my homework.

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Q is not going to Emery unless Crawford fails miserably.

Emery has been hurt lately and #50 has been rock solid all year long.

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04-28-2013, 10:23 PM
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Wrong. Emery is fine, and the team will use them both.

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I'm not completely sure what that post says, but if I'm understanding you correctly, I can just respond with the fact that Huet and Niemi split duties in the 09/10 regular season, but everyone knew Niemi was the #1 going into the playoffs. Just like everyone should realize Crawford's the #1 now.

There is no such thing as "going with the hot hand" in the playoffs. There's a reason you never see teams use that strategy once the regular season ends.
Emery was taking the #1 job from Crawford until he ran in to the recent injuries. I don't see any comparison to 2010 - where Niemi took the job based on far better play than Huet. Crawford hasn't outplayed Emery this year.

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04-28-2013, 10:34 PM
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There is no #1 job. They are a hockey team.


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Emery was taking the #1 job from Crawford until he ran in to the recent injuries. I don't see any comparison to 2010 - where Niemi took the job based on far better play than Huet. Crawford hasn't outplayed Emery this year.
He wasn't. Emery had a short stint where he started a few games in a row. Then Quenneville gave Crawford a Friday game vs. Detroit despite it not being a back-to-back situation. Crawford won that (3-2 in the shootout), and Q went with him again in the next game vs. St. Louis, which was on a Sunday. Crawford shut them out. Gave Emery the back end of a b2b the next night against the inferior team (Dallas), where the Hawks won 5-2 but Emery looked fairly shaky all night.

Then Emery got hurt and #1G was pretty much locked up as Crawford's job.

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There is no #1 job. They are a hockey team.
Is there no #1 center on this team? I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

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Is there no #1 center on this team? I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
Hardly trying to be cryptic. The Hawks have 2 goalies who've won the Jennings sharing the load 60/40. Either might win the Vezina as voted by the GMs. They've posted a modern day regular season record operating as they have. What galaxy would one have to live in to consider upsetting what is working? Oh and again, there are inherent advantages involved with keeping both fresh, keeping the team as a team, and not allowing the opponent to prepare for one or the other.

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He wasn't. Emery had a short stint where he started a few games in a row. Then Quenneville gave Crawford a Friday game vs. Detroit despite it not being a back-to-back situation. Crawford won that (3-2 in the shootout), and Q went with him again in the next game vs. St. Louis, which was on a Sunday. Crawford shut them out. Gave Emery the back end of a b2b the next night against the inferior team (Dallas), where the Hawks won 5-2 but Emery looked fairly shaky all night.

Then Emery got hurt and #1G was pretty much locked up as Crawford's job.
I agree with the bolded. Of course, if Emery is healthy..the first time Crawford gives up a center ice goal or let's the opponent's 'curl' it in for an OT winner - we both know they're going to give Emery his chance.

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I agree with the bolded. Of course, if Emery is healthy..the first time Crawford gives up a center ice goal or let's the opponent's 'curl' it in for an OT winner - we both know they're going to give Emery his chance.
You'd never know Crawford had one of the best statistical seasons for a goalie the Hawks have seen in their history reading posts like these. He's clearly a different goalie than last season. Fundamentally and mentally.

If he lets in a weak goal and otherwise is still putting up a 92.5 save percentage, he's not being replaced by anybody.

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Round 1 Schedule:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...0,391864.story

Predicting Crawford - Crawford - Emery - Crawford.

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Round 1 Schedule:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...0,391864.story

Predicting Crawford - Crawford - Emery - Crawford.
Do you watch hockey, when has a team EVER! routinely switched goalies in the play-offs? EVER!?

It doesn't happen, and don't use a lockout shortened regular season as an example either. 2 totally different circumstances. A team changes goalies because either 1. One of them is playing badly or 2. One of them is injured.

If Crawford wins the first 2 games and only gives up 3 goals, Q pulls him just because? NO!

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I think without the recent Emery injuries, Q would have gone with both and shared time a bit. Why not give Emery a game when you lead the series 3-0

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Do you watch hockey, when has a team EVER! routinely switched goalies in the play-offs? EVER!?

It doesn't happen, and don't use a lockout shortened regular season as an example either. 2 totally different circumstances. A team changes goalies because either 1. One of them is playing badly or 2. One of them is injured.

If Crawford wins the first 2 games and only gives up 3 goals, Q pulls him just because? NO!
Sonny, I watch more hockey than you could fathom. I've also played the game for 36 years. You ever lace up a pair of skates? If you'd read, you'd note that I've already addressed your superficial questions. The question I posed to you still stands. I like your avatar.


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Sonny, I watch more hockey than you could fathom. Also played the game for 36 years. You ever lace up a pair of skates? If you'd read, you'd note that I've already addressed your superficial questions. The question I posed to you still stands.
No what are these skates you speak of?

Also playing the game gives you what insight to what a coach will do, how? Were your 36 years spent playing for Q, Bowman or anyone else on the staff?

All you did was post when they played in the regular season, which with injuries and especially in a lockout shortened condensed season is meaningless.

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No what are these skates you speak of?

Also playing the game gives you what insight to what a coach will do, how? Were your 36 years spent playing for Q, Bowman or anyone else on the staff?

All you did was post when they played in the regular season, which with injuries and especially in a lockout shortened condensed season is meaningless.
Answer the question.

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What question? Who will play? based on his more games played and higher SV% the answer is obviously Crawford.

Great you singled out 1 stat and someone that means Q will play both of them?

On that list Bernier has a better GAA then Quick, bet the Kings use him in the playoffs, after all what has Quick done for them?

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What question? Who will play? based on his more games played and higher SV% the answer is obviously Crawford.

Great you singled out 1 stat and someone that means Q will play both of them?

On that list Bernier has a better GAA then Quick, bet the Kings use him in the playoffs, after all what has Quick done for them?
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