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Picking the Sabres' Carcass at the Deadline (and Later?): HOW DARE YOU ASK FOR OTT

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03-27-2013, 06:26 PM
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No way.

I would want Stafford, but if that is the price for Pominville than not a chance.

Makes no sense for us to deal top prospects like Gaunce, Lack and the first.
Those 3 probably aren't even enough for Pominville. If you didn't know, Pominville is a 5x 60+ point scorer, is a great PK, plays two way hockey and is also our captain. He is also the 7th highest scoring RW since the lockout. Guys like Poms are extremely valuable, and considering so many teams are still in the playoff hunt this will be a very tight sellers market.He is only 30, it's not like he's in his mid to late 30s, he still has 5+ seasons of good hockey left in him. The Sabres will easily get package offers much better then Gaunce, Lack and a late first.

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03-27-2013, 06:28 PM
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Those 3 probably aren't even enough for Pominville. If you didn't know, Pominville is a 5x 60+ point scorer, is a great PK, plays two way hockey and is also our captain. He is also the 7th highest scoring RW since the lockout. Guys like Poms are extremely valuable, and considering so many teams are still in the playoff hunt this will be a very tight sellers market. The Sabres will easily get package offers much better then Gaunce, Lack and a late first.
Do you know anything about that package? Lack is one of the best goaltending prospects in the AHL.

Gaunce is someone I have no interest in trading. Looks like he is going to be a really really valuable two-way horse down the middle with size, skill, strength and leadership.

And that first will be a good prospect, someone we need in our pool.

Glad you feel its not enough cause I don't have interest in making this trade.

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03-27-2013, 06:29 PM
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Mid-Later round pick or prospect for Sulzer?
make it a 4th and you got a deal....

by the way ...he will be out for the year with an ACL injury....being a UFA after this year we will just sign him again....He likes it in Buffalo because of the fellow Germans on the team.

thanks for shopping---please come again.

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03-27-2013, 06:30 PM
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I like the Gaunce, Connauton + 1st for Pominville deal
Can we get Kaleta involved in this deal? Vancouver adores depth forwards who are defensively responsible and we use his nasty side.

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03-27-2013, 06:30 PM
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To NJD- Drew Stafford

To Buffalo- Jacob Josefson, Mark Fayne

Gives Buffalo a young 2-way forward who is still waiting to develop some offesnively and a dependable 2nd pairing defender that is still young

New Jersey get's a streaky forward who is good at both ends of the ice that is currently underperforming

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03-27-2013, 06:32 PM
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Frankly it's just overpayment overall. Also Canucks do not need defencemen. Players Canucks might be interested in are Stafford and Pominville. Oh and Schneider isn't available. Personally I think Pommer is to expensive for Vancouver. Some other Sabre fans agreed to this earlier though:

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in the Stafford deal i would ask for a 1st in 2013 and a 4th in 2014 instead.

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To NJD- Drew Stafford

To Buffalo- Jacob Josefson, Mark Fayne

Gives Buffalo a young 2-way forward who is still waiting to develop some offesnively and a dependable 2nd pairing defender that is still young

New Jersey get's a streaky forward who is good at both ends of the ice that is currently underperforming
Done.

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Done.
It's a lot to give up from my Devils, but damn I just know that Stafford would fit in absolutely beautifully in the lineup without missing a beat.

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03-27-2013, 06:53 PM
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Kassian for Hodgson?

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To NJD- Drew Stafford

To Buffalo- Jacob Josefson, Mark Fayne

Gives Buffalo a young 2-way forward who is still waiting to develop some offesnively and a dependable 2nd pairing defender that is still young

New Jersey get's a streaky forward who is good at both ends of the ice that is currently underperforming
I like this deal, helps plug some holes, we can look to replace stafford in FA

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03-27-2013, 07:16 PM
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Can we get Kaleta involved in this deal? Vancouver adores depth forwards who are defensively responsible and we use his nasty side.
Sure. His value's hard to pin down but it shouldn't be too much in the way of prospects/picks. Value, but not extensive.

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To NJD- Drew Stafford

To Buffalo- Jacob Josefson, Mark Fayne

Gives Buffalo a young 2-way forward who is still waiting to develop some offesnively and a dependable 2nd pairing defender that is still young

New Jersey get's a streaky forward who is good at both ends of the ice that is currently underperforming
Done.

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Kassian for Hodgson?
Noronen for a 2nd

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03-27-2013, 07:24 PM
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It's a lot to give up from my Devils, but damn I just know that Stafford would fit in absolutely beautifully in the lineup without missing a beat.
I could definitely see Stafford getting back on track if NJ could get him buying into their aggressive forecheck. He has the speed, the size, and the skill to put up points like that.

Fills some needs for Buffalo as well. Fayne would help stabalize our top 4 next year (assuming neither Leo or Regehr will be back, which would leave us with just Myers, Ehrhoff, ad Sekera under contract as far as certifiable NHL D go) and let's us bring along Pysyk and McNabb slowly. Josefson doesn't fill a huge need, but would be a nice addition to the PK and still has some potential.

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No way.

I would want Stafford, but if that is the price for Pominville than not a chance.

Makes no sense for us to deal top prospects like Gaunce, Lack and the first.
Gaunce and Lack are easily expendable behind the depth we have. Luongo/Schneider in goal and we have Henrik/Kesler/Schroeder as our top-9 centres, none of whom are going anywhere anytime soon. You have to give top-quality to get top quality. Is it "overpayment"? In a time where a rental Morrow gets a top prospect and Douglas Murray gets 2 2nds, I don't really think so.

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03-27-2013, 08:18 PM
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Looks like I may have been wrong about Miller .

Connolly and the 1st would be the prime targets, though of course not together.

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03-27-2013, 11:22 PM
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Gaunce and Lack are easily expendable behind the depth we have. Luongo/Schneider in goal and we have Henrik/Kesler/Schroeder as our top-9 centres, none of whom are going anywhere anytime soon. You have to give top-quality to get top quality. Is it "overpayment"? In a time where a rental Morrow gets a top prospect and Douglas Murray gets 2 2nds, I don't really think so.
I don't think it is a overpayment.

but I dont think it makes sense. Gaunce is going to be a fan favorite, and will wear a letter one day and be a huge part of this team. The more I see of him the more excited I get.

Lack is one of the best goaltending prospects available.

I don't think we need a winger, we need a center. And we aren't in a position to take on that cap hit moving forward, or trade away 3 big future assets that we need for a big gamble.

I just don't think it makes sense. Pominville won't be the key to our success in the playoffs. How Cory Schneider plays will be.

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03-28-2013, 08:08 AM
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I don't think it is a overpayment.

but I dont think it makes sense. Gaunce is going to be a fan favorite, and will wear a letter one day and be a huge part of this team. The more I see of him the more excited I get.

Lack is one of the best goaltending prospects available.

I don't think we need a winger, we need a center. And we aren't in a position to take on that cap hit moving forward, or trade away 3 big future assets that we need for a big gamble.

I just don't think it makes sense. Pominville won't be the key to our success in the playoffs. How Cory Schneider plays will be.

Given your parameters, what do you think of Jochen Hecht for Vancouver? Relatively cheap ($1.25 million) veteran UFA at season's end who can play 3rd/4th line center, defensively responsible and certainly doesn't net a return including either of Gaunce/Lack.

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Given your parameters, what do you think of Jochen Hecht for Vancouver? Relatively cheap ($1.25 million) veteran UFA at season's end who can play 3rd/4th line center, defensively responsible and certainly doesn't net a return including either of Gaunce/Lack.
Probably something akin to what Pahlsson cost?

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Given your parameters, what do you think of Jochen Hecht for Vancouver? Relatively cheap ($1.25 million) veteran UFA at season's end who can play 3rd/4th line center, defensively responsible and certainly doesn't net a return including either of Gaunce/Lack.
Meh. Nothing against him I just don't think he brings what he used to bring. At this point I don't think he is really much of an upgrade on what we have to fill that spot. (Schroeder, Lappierre)

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Meh. Nothing against him I just don't think he brings what he used to bring. At this point I don't think he is really much of an upgrade on what we have to fill that spot. (Schroeder, Lappierre)
He'd be an upgrade defensively even as a wing. Not saying you need him, but he's pretty underrated.

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He'd be an upgrade defensively even as a wing. Not saying you need him, but he's pretty underrated.
Fourth line defensive guy who can play either wing and center. Probably a 4th or 5th rounder.

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just a few different ideas...


1. STAFFORD

To Buffalo:
C- Jacob Josefson- Would add a young centerman who's got size and can play solidly in his own zone.

To New Jersey:
RW- Drew Stafford- Would inject some firepower into the lineup. Stafford has ability and needs a change of scenery maybe more than any other guy in the league right now. He would allow Clarkson to have a role that more suits his skill and not have to necessarily be a top-line/top-6 player.


To Buffalo:
D-Niklas Hjalmarsson- Buffalo gets a guy they can try to pair with Myers who can settle things down and allow Myers to play his game.

To Chicago:
RW- Drew Stafford- Chicago gets a guy who's able to play in the top-6 and move Sharpe to center to solve their 2C issue.


2. MILLER


To Buffalo:
2013 1st (top-5 protected, if it is, moves to 2014)

To Tampa Bay:
G-Ryan Miller


3. POMINVILLE


To Buffalo:
D-Niklas Hjalmarsson
C-Marcus Kruger
-Again, Hjalmarsson hopefully pairs up with Myers to form a good partnership
-Kruger adds a defensively responsible centerman with upside.

To Chicago:
RW- Jason Pominville- Gives Chicago a legit top-line forward to put on the wing.




4. MILLER & POMINVILLE

To Buffalo:
C-Sean Couturier
G- Illya Bryzgalov


To Philadelphia:
RW- Jason Pominville
G- Ryan Miller
C-Luke Adam

I doubt any of these are widely accepted, just throwing around some ideas that popped into my head

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Do not want bryz contract..

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Do not want bryz contract..
I'll take it if it gives us a guy like Couturier. Him, Hosgson, and Grigorenko down the middle for a long time could look pretty beastly in a few years. He'd be a guy you could rotate with Enroth and eventually if need be buy him out or put him in the AHL.

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