HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Whats wrong with Pacioretty???

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
03-28-2013, 07:53 AM
  #51
hockeyfan2k11
Registered User
 
hockeyfan2k11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 9,128
vCash: 500
Separate him from DD for the love of all things...

hockeyfan2k11 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 08:28 AM
  #52
Milhouse40
Registered User
 
Milhouse40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,962
vCash: 500
That line is a problem.

A line with two player under 5'9", could work for a short period.
Could work at home....but not really on the road. Easy to control.

The opponent game plan is easy:
Hit them....and you cand send 5'11" player to do this job!!!

Pacioretty shouldn't have to play the protector/the big guy on that line
at 24 years old. They need a bette, more agressive forecheck and that's where Gallagher comes in......but Gallagher would be so much more effective if he wasn't the main guy on the line.

Milhouse40 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 09:04 AM
  #53
PhysicX
Registered User
 
PhysicX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Montréal
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,306
vCash: 74
Paccioretty doesn't take 2 'c''s. That's what's wrong.

PhysicX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 09:24 AM
  #54
The Doors
Registered User
 
The Doors's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,526
vCash: 500
Pacioretty - DD - Bourque
Ryder - Plekanec - Gionta
Galchenyuk - Eller - Gallagher
Prust - Halpern - Moen/Armstrong/White

Nothing against Gallagher, it's not a demotion actually a compliment to him that he can play on any line and do well. He could play on Plekanec's RW but Plek-Gio is a dependable duo. The DD line needs an big physical aggressive winger, Pacioretty is big but more of a scorer, Bourque can do dirty work on that line and make DD more effective.

Someone is always going to be hurt, but the fourth line in a healthy roster basically has 4-5 good options (even more since Dumont is proven himself to be NHL calibre). This is a great problem. It wouldn't be popular around here but in the playoffs late in a series MT could use Prust on Eller's LW instead of Gal I wouldn't be shocked

The Doors is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 09:28 AM
  #55
Saundies
Registered User
 
Saundies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NB, Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 445
vCash: 500
I love Patches man but the guy cannot pass the puck for the life of him. I'm serious, watch a game and watch whenever he tries to pass... It just doesn't work. That, and combined with the fact that DD isn't really going right now...

Patches is most effective when he's getting into open areas where he can shoot the puck. When he was on his streak, that's what he was doing. Now, he's kind of gotten away from that a little bit. MT has to stop putting Patches - DD - and Gallagher on the first PP wave, it's just not happening for those guys.

Saundies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 09:35 AM
  #56
onice
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Montreal
Posts: 5,415
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by overlords View Post
Nobody has been finding him in the slot. max's game isn't banging in goals from in close like gallagher, it's sniping them from the slot.
And that is one and only asset. He has above average speed but everything else about Patches is sub average. His defense, his hockey IQ, his vision, his passing, his stickhandling...hell you rarely see a body check from him and he's what 6'3" - it's mostly swipes from his stick.

Many people on this board overrated him. He is what he is (to quote an overused phrase) and we can't expect more from him. I'm not surprised by his play.

Many people on this board don't like Ryder but Patches is another Ryder with even less of an overall game.

onice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 09:45 AM
  #57
onice
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Montreal
Posts: 5,415
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hototogisu View Post
He's had his ups and downs last year (as opposed to last year where he seemed to be more consistently "up") but still, can't argue with the numbers. Only Hab fans will argue that their leading scorer is "a Max Lapierre clone", "useless except for his shot", etc.
I thought this thread was about Patches not Ryder.

onice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 09:57 AM
  #58
Neutrino
Registered User
 
Neutrino's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 366
vCash: 500



What the hell is wrong with some people ? Do we always need be whining about something ?

Neutrino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 10:05 AM
  #59
AmeriHab
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 404
vCash: 500
I saw some post that he's floating and not working, but I think it may be because if he goes down, we're in a world of hurt as far as size goes up front. Wouldn't surprise me if MT said stay healthy. We're already down size with Bourque and Prust from the lineup and have 3 smaller guys in already. This isn't to open up the popular midget debate but this makes sense to me. Chucky Eller and Patch are our biggest guys at forward right now

AmeriHab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 10:06 AM
  #60
Halifaxhab*
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,219
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neutrino View Post



What the hell is wrong with some people ? Do we always need be whining about something ?
HOLY GOSH YES!!!!

WTF? The guy gets 1 pt in his last 3 or 4 games, but is on pace for a 70+ pt season (with about 25-30 goals in there too) and there is something wrong with him?

What next? Complaining that Price can't steal every game? PK doing too much? Not enough? Trade DD?

It is the song that never ends.

Halifaxhab* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 10:32 AM
  #61
HeShootsHeScores
Registered User
 
HeShootsHeScores's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,257
vCash: 500
If we were clueless fans we'd just shut up and look at the stats but obviously we all see that Max is not working as hard as last year. Last season he was all over the place, fighting hard for the puck, setting desharnais who'd set him back for a nice shot. Right now he is a non factor except for his awesome slot shot. He's playing cammalleri-like.

HeShootsHeScores is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 10:40 AM
  #62
Drive425
Registered User
 
Drive425's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: St Louis Du Haha
Country: Malta
Posts: 1,934
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeShootsHeScores View Post
If we were clueless fans we'd just shut up and look at the stats but obviously we all see that Max is not working as hard as last year. Last season he was all over the place, fighting hard for the puck, setting desharnais who'd set him back for a nice shot. Right now he is a non factor except for his awesome slot shot. He's playing cammalleri-like.
Clueless fans need to constantly complain about something. You can't expect the same as last year, this is a completely different hockey team and philosophy. Last year the Habs are 15th, this year they are 2nd. Seriously, wtf is wrong with all you complainers? WOW!

Drive425 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 10:51 AM
  #63
Monctonscout
Monctonscout
 
Monctonscout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 30,409
vCash: 500
I don't see anything major wrong with Pacioretty game. Guys go hot and cold. I think maybe we need a bigger body on RW than Gallagher(put him with Eller/Prust or Gally?). They are seeing top shutdown pairs recently which has freed up the Plekanec-Ryder line a lot more.

Monctonscout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 12:17 PM
  #64
BaseballCoach
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,926
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NewHabsEra View Post
Not the shadow of the player he used to be.. I know he has never had the best hands out there but this year he just looks like a Max Lapierre clone..
Except for a one-game stretch here and there, I don't think MaxLap was ever close to a ppg player.

So what are you babbling about?

BaseballCoach is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 12:19 PM
  #65
Mrb1p
Registered User
 
Mrb1p's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Citizen of the world
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,160
vCash: 500
Patches needs a shake from the coach, but MT is too busy giving prime minutes to his sons DD, Army and Bouillon.

Mrb1p is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 12:20 PM
  #66
MsChanandlerBong
The Chan-Chan Man
 
MsChanandlerBong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 598
vCash: 500
Don't think its anything to worry about...he goes in scoreless drought's every season.

MsChanandlerBong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 12:21 PM
  #67
Mrb1p
Registered User
 
Mrb1p's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Citizen of the world
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,160
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by onice View Post
And that is one and only asset. He has above average speed but everything else about Patches is sub average. His defense, his hockey IQ, his vision, his passing, his stickhandling...hell you rarely see a body check from him and he's what 6'3" - it's mostly swipes from his stick.

Many people on this board overrated him. He is what he is (to quote an overused phrase) and we can't expect more from him. I'm not surprised by his play.

Many people on this board don't like Ryder but Patches is another Ryder with even less of an overall game.
This is based on this season... In the other two seasons he wasnt even close to what he his today. He was a grinder with a good shot and good passing skills. Now he's not doing it.

Mrb1p is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 12:33 PM
  #68
NewHabsEra*
 
NewHabsEra*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 10,695
vCash: 500
Its not always about pts, Max just doesnt do what he was doing before like crashing the net and going in the dirtt areas where he was so effective, he shots from the outside, his passing is non existant and to make a story short, he is clearly not playing well, Gallagher is the one carrying this line, what is rather weird considering he is a rookie..

NewHabsEra* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 12:46 PM
  #69
HeShootsHeScores
Registered User
 
HeShootsHeScores's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,257
vCash: 500
It's not about complaining. You look at top contenders like pittsburgh and boston, and as a fan you start thinking about what is missing for the habs to reach that level. Logically it comes to my mind that if Pacioretty was playing like he did last year, the habs would be an even better team that is it now. It's not brainless bashing for no reason, Pacioretty is not as complete as a player as he was last year and it raises question marks.

I look at the way he plays, I'm happy that he manages to get points, it's good for his stats. But he struggles controling the play. He used to piss the other teams because he'd go head first anywhere to get that puck and score.

The habs team, as it is now, would benefit greatly to have last year's Pacioretty, and that guy from last year, MT would be in love with him.

HeShootsHeScores is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 12:58 PM
  #70
Habs Junkie
Registered User
 
Habs Junkie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,060
vCash: 500
It's time he gets separated from DD. If you look closely, when DD gets the puck defenders back off and double team the wingers. DD still tries to make that pass though often making Max look bad.

It's time we see Pleks with Max. I've been waiting for too long for this.

Habs Junkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 01:29 PM
  #71
Go Habs Go
Registered User
 
Go Habs Go's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Mississauga
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,441
vCash: 500
Patches has always been streaky. Are we to bash him now because he's not doing what he was never able to do? He scored 60 something points last year and all of a sudden we expect him to be Jarome Iginla?

Go Habs Go is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 01:40 PM
  #72
GordonGraham
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,862
vCash: 500
He got his big pay day and hes now taking it easy, he just gets a free pass cause hes north american

GordonGraham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 02:17 PM
  #73
Neutrino
Registered User
 
Neutrino's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 366
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NewHabsEra View Post
this year he just looks like a Max Lapierre clone..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Saku View Post
Pacioretty is like Ryder, pretty much useless except for his shot.
Quote:
Originally Posted by onice View Post
And that is one and only asset (his shot). He has above average speed but everything else about Patches is sub average. His defense, his hockey IQ, his vision, his passing, his stickhandling...
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeShootsHeScores View Post
You look at top contenders like pittsburgh and boston, and as a fan you start thinking about what is missing for the habs to reach that level.
In my opinion, this type of thing is what's wrong with our fanbase.

You could legitimately be concerned for a player's production, sure, but to go full delirium and spew that kind of BS shows how disconnected some people are from the actual game. What many folks like way more than hockey is drama and since our team isn't giving them much to feast on in this great hockey season of hockey so far, I guess they have to generate it by themselves.

On the bright side for more informed posters it becomes very easy to separate what should be read with consideration and what should be discarded as nonsense.

Neutrino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 02:32 PM
  #74
DDs not undersized
Former Partisan duCH
 
DDs not undersized's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Bangkok
Country: Thailand
Posts: 3,402
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neutrino View Post
In my opinion, this type of thing is what's wrong with our fanbase.

You could legitimately be concerned for a player's production, sure, but to go full delirium and spew that kind of BS shows how disconnected some people are from the actual game. What many folks like way more than hockey is drama and since our team isn't giving them much to feast on in this great hockey season of hockey so far, I guess they have to generate it by themselves.

On the bright side for more informed posters it becomes very easy to separate what should be read with consideration and what should be discarded as nonsense.


More and more teenagers and alarmist people and people who wake up in the morning just to whine on this board I think. For once in many years, I see no reason to be negative with the current team we have.

DDs not undersized is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-28-2013, 02:40 PM
  #75
go_habs_go
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,213
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to go_habs_go
Pacioretty - Plekanec - Ryder
Galchenyuk - Eller - Gallagher
Gionta - Desharnais - Bourque
Moen - Prust - Armstrong

go_habs_go is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:06 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.