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03-28-2013, 05:17 PM
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I really like Paterson. Seems like coming into this ongoing playoff series, only thing London is/was scared about Saginaw is/was Paterson.

But that's just juniors. He wouldn't be the deal breaker for me. But I'd prefer some other prospect to clear up the upcoming logjam at Griffins.

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03-28-2013, 05:18 PM
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I agree

come on nobody can honestly believe Franzen is a game changer

dustin brown literally changes games, either with big goals or huge hits

he is the reason why LA won the cup and the reason why he won the Conn Smyth above anyone else

i iwish Franzen had 1/10th the heart Dustin brown has
Not sure if serious but Quick got the Smythe..

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03-28-2013, 05:20 PM
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Not sure if serious but Quick got the Smythe..
Sh.. my mistake

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I really like Paterson. Seems like coming into this ongoing playoff series, only thing London is/was scared about Saginaw is/was Paterson.

But that's just juniors. He wouldn't be the deal breaker for me. But I'd prefer some other prospect to clear up the upcoming logjam at Griffins.
Mrazek is young and looks realgud(no way I send him), I wouldnt mind Paterson and another prospect that will clear the log jam in GR. I would like them to take a expiring contract like Cleary or someone so we can allow a Nyquist or Tatar to play up here.

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03-28-2013, 06:09 PM
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Heats, I feel we're starting to just run around in a circle and this isn't the thread for it. All I'm going to say is Brown is a two-way player, Franzen is very much one-dimensional. Franzen is fine in a top 6 role with his cap hit. He was a game changer years ago but isn't anymore. I wish he still was.
Well, Franzen used to play a lot of shorthanded time, so it isn't like he doesn't have the potential to be a 2 way forward who eats up shorthanded minutes. Babcock just has chosen not to put him out there for the past few years.

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03-28-2013, 06:13 PM
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Well, Franzen used to play a lot of shorthanded time, so it isn't like he doesn't have the potential to be a 2 way forward who eats up shorthanded minutes. Babcock just has chosen not to put him out there for the past few years.
Eeeehhhh...Not too sure about that anymore. Sure, he broke into the NHL as a 3C checking center, but those days are gone. Long gone.

If Franzen isnt scoring goals, he isnt doing much else anymore. Which, for under $4M isnt so bad, I guess. A one-dimensional, wildly inconsistent offensive threat is worth ~$4M on a lifetime deal these days.

I guess.

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03-28-2013, 06:43 PM
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Let's do Paterson, Lashoff, and this year's first. No deal for either Nyquist or Tatar. I'd consider Paterson, Lashoff, Pulkkinen, and a second. Another version of that could be Paterson, Lashoff, Frk, third.

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03-28-2013, 07:05 PM
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Anything but that first

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03-28-2013, 07:48 PM
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Wait it out this year. Well, at least sign DD. They've actually looked like a hockey team the past few games. I don't think they are in danger of missing the playoffs with the team they have now. I don't think they are a trade away from being a Stanley Cup contender either.

So

Don't bring Cleary back. Buy out Samuellson and Bertuzzi. Nyquist, Tatar and Jarnkrok or Sheahan up full-time. Sproul, Ouellet, Frk, Pulkinen, Jurco (who is) in the AHL next year. Actually start injecting youth into the team and start the transition. Assess what you have and then go out and trade for a certain type of player you need to take you to the next level. If they sign DD and have Sproul and Ouellet in the wings, pun intended, I don't think that makes JBo a need.

Kronwall - Ouellet
Ericcson - Sproul
DD - Smith
Kindl
Are we tanking for Reinhart/Ekblad next year? Ouellet may be advanced for his age but his not ready for the NHL level, Sproul can't really play defence at the OHL level (he's average or below average) and is imo 2-3 years away from the NHL, DeKeyser hasn't even signed with us yet & we don't know how he will play, and Kindl is one of our top 4 dmen this year no way is he our 7th next year.

The only reason he doesn't fill a need is because he's a left handed shot. If we could move Ouellet+Ferraro/Pulkkinen/B prospect+Quincey I think we do that in an instant. Jbo is a playing this like a man on a mission and while he's -7 he's playing 25+ minutes a game. He's appeared to have found his offensive game and he is 29 going on 30, I don't want to give up anything huge for him but if it's something like my offer I hope we do it.

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1st + Sheanan + Cola for Big B + a 3rd

Get er' done Kenny.

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How about McCollum instead?

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Remember when we traded a 1st for Quincey and we all wish we could have that back because we asked him to play too big a role and he couldn't do it well, then when we cut down his minutes/role he looked fine. But he still isn't worth his contract.

Jay Bouwmeester is a #1 on Calgary just like Quincey was a top 4 in Colorado. They play there out of necessity.

Yeah I think I'm having Deja Vu.

I hope we stay away from this guy.

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Remember when we traded a 1st for Quincey and we all wish we could have that back because we asked him to play too big a role and he couldn't do it well, then when we cut down his minutes/role he looked fine. But he still isn't worth his contract.

Jay Bouwmeester is a #1 on Calgary just like Quincey was a top 4 in Colorado. They play there out of necessity.

Yeah I think I'm having Deja Vu.

I hope we stay away from this guy.

You and me both.

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03-29-2013, 01:31 AM
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he is the reason why LA won the cup and the reason why he won the Conn Smyth above anyone else
Oh really? Because in our universe, Jonathan Quick won the Conn Smythe.

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i iwish Franzen had 1/10th the heart Dustin brown has
Are you aware of how often Dustin Brown dives?

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03-29-2013, 06:57 AM
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Oh really? Because in our universe, Jonathan Quick won the Conn Smythe.



Are you aware of how often Dustin Brown dives?
I am 100% sure I immediately said "ah sh.. my mistake" which you will notice if you slide up this page

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03-29-2013, 08:47 AM
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Our defense as currently constituted will be first round fodder..

However,

if we go into the playoffs ( I am assuming we will make it fairly easily at this point)

J-BO/Yandle - Kronwall
Ericsson - Kindl
Quincey - Smith
Lashoff/White/CC (maybe 1 of them gets moved..)

Is this a strong defense or are we still just 1st/2nd round exit waiting to happen?

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03-29-2013, 08:50 AM
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However,

if we go into the playoffs ( I am assuming we will make it fairly easily at this point)

J-BO/Yandle - Kronwall
Ericsson - Kindl
Quincey - Smith
Lashoff/White/CC (maybe 1 of them gets moved..)

Is this a strong defense or are we still just 1st/2nd round exit waiting to happen?
While it certainly doesn't look bad, we were also 1st/2nd round team with Lidstrom and Stuart on the roster too. It seems like this team will go as far as Howard and the top 6 takes them.

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Yandle is ****ing awful defensively. Why would we want him exactly?

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However,

if we go into the playoffs ( I am assuming we will make it fairly easily at this point)

J-BO/Yandle - Kronwall
Ericsson - Kindl
Quincey - Smith
Lashoff/White/CC (maybe 1 of them gets moved..)

Is this a strong defense or are we still just 1st/2nd round exit waiting to happen?
Kronwall is proving he should be nowhere near a first pairing at the NHL level. We could do something like:

Bouwmeester-Ericsson
Kronwall-Lashoff/DeKeyser
Smith-Kindl or White

We'd be set on defense until Ouellet, Sproul, Backman and Jensen are ready for NHL duty.

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03-29-2013, 09:13 AM
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However,

if we go into the playoffs ( I am assuming we will make it fairly easily at this point)

J-BO/Yandle - Kronwall
Ericsson - Kindl
Quincey - Smith
Lashoff/White/CC (maybe 1 of them gets moved..)

Is this a strong defense or are we still just 1st/2nd round exit waiting to happen?
see the genius of trading for jaybo is that its not a move solely for the 2013 month of April(I dont see us playing untill June)

instead and thankfully its a move designed for the springs of 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018

its the type of move real GM's make

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Jay Bouwmeester is a #1 on Calgary just like Quincey was a top 4 in Colorado. They play there out of necessity.
I understand the judgement of a player is almost always subjective, but this line of yours is something that makes me question whether we're talking about the same Jason Bouwmeester.

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Kronwall is proving he should be nowhere near a first pairing at the NHL level.
Let's see you come up with a list of 60 players whom you consider top-pairing defensemen in the NHL, and then we'll see if your definition of a first-pairing defenseman holds up.

Perhaps you simply mean that Kronwall is not as good as Lidstrom. In that event, I agree, but it means nothing.

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Let's see you come up with a list of 60 players whom you consider top-pairing defensemen in the NHL, and then we'll see if your definition of a first-pairing defenseman holds up.

Perhaps you simply mean that Kronwall is not as good as Lidstrom. In that event, I agree, but it means nothing.
+1
I want to see at least 30 dmen better than Kronwall.

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I understand the judgement of a player is almost always subjective, but this line of yours is something that makes me question whether we're talking about the same Jason Bouwmeester.
Jason Bouwmeester?


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Let's see you come up with a list of 60 players whom you consider top-pairing defensemen in the NHL, and then we'll see if your definition of a first-pairing defenseman holds up.

Perhaps you simply mean that Kronwall is not as good as Lidstrom. In that event, I agree, but it means nothing.
LOL. Well said.

Kronwall has problems... But to say there are 60-80 D men better than him is stupid!

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