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08-12-2013, 05:59 PM
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Teravaien's not raw at all. He's very refined. I won't even say he's physically underdeveloped, but he needs to add a bit more muscle. He'll never be big, and he won't have to be. Get up around 175-180lbs and he'll be fine. The biggest adjustment for Teravainen won't be the physicality, it will be the speed; the time and space he has to make decisions and make plays. Once he gets that down, he'll be fine.
This is very good post and i couldn't agree more.

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08-12-2013, 11:22 PM
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Teravaien's not raw at all. He's very refined. I won't even say he's physically underdeveloped, but he needs to add a bit more muscle. He'll never be big, and he won't have to be. Get up around 175-180lbs and he'll be fine. The biggest adjustment for Teravainen won't be the physicality, it will be the speed; the time and space he has to make decisions and make plays. Once he gets that down, he'll be fine.
I agree with you...and even when he was drafted he wasn't a "raw talent". There appeared to be questions about his size...and maybe his defence. But he wasn't a "project" player...just a guy who needed to get bigger.

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It's the only thing that makes sense for him. There's no room in Rockford. London's better than Toledo.
Ha ha ha...and I was insistent they'd fit him in in Rockford. *you were right...i was wrong*

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08-14-2013, 12:31 AM
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It's prospect related so figured I'd put this here, but if anyone's interested in following me on Twitter over the course of this upcoming season I'm @Sean_White26. I'm working for HockeyProspect.com covering prospects for the NHL and OHL drafts. I'll largely be covering the USHL as well as Bantam and Midget AAA, but will also be covering as much CHL stuff as I can. Really looking forward to it and look forward to being able to talk puck here with you guys and gals as always. The website actually has been redesigned so feel free to check it out at www.hockeyprospect.com. Perhaps see some of you in the Twitterverse!

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Clendening / Shultz

Are they essentially the same players?

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08-14-2013, 06:29 PM
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Clendening / Shultz

Are they essentially the same players?
No. Schultz is a better skater and he's more dynamic in general.

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Both 2nd round picks- both have great touch and find seams to the net, same size, if Clendeing improves skating you never know


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08-14-2013, 08:45 PM
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Clendening's skating will never be on par with Schultz and Clendening has a passing mindset, while Schultz has a shooter's. They're similar in the sense that they're both offensive guys, but Schultz is pretty clearly quite a bit better.

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08-15-2013, 08:34 AM
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Hockeysverige released their top-10 north americans in the SHL this year. Heres the full list:

10) Jeff Tambellini, fw, Modo

9) Evan McGrath, c, Frölunda

8) Ben Walter, c, Örebro

7) Jared Aulin, c, Örebro

6) Kevin Kapstad, b, Leksand

5) Chad Kolarik, c/fw, Linköping

4) Brett Sterling, fw, HV71

3) Colby Armstrong, fw, Växjö

2) T.J. Hensick, c/fw, Modo - NCAA scoring leader and three-time AHL all-star

1) Cory Murphy, b, Växjö

http://www.hockeysverige.se/blogg/uf...nordamerikaner

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I like that information, but what has this to do with our prospects?

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08-15-2013, 07:21 PM
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Clendening's skating will never be on par with Schultz and Clendening has a passing mindset, while Schultz has a shooter's. They're similar in the sense that they're both offensive guys, but Schultz is pretty clearly quite a bit better.
Shultz doesn't really have a bomb from the point thought, I guess your right thought he does shoot more

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08-16-2013, 12:49 AM
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His shot is better than Leddys

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With his skill-set how did he drop to 43 while the ducks took Gardiner at 17 ?
How does Schultz compare with Gardiner ?

Tough for the Ducks having drafted both Gardiner and Schultz and only having Beauchemin to show for it (though I do think Beauchemin is solid).

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08-16-2013, 09:11 AM
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Not much they could do about Schultz. But for right now, I'll take Beauchemin over Gardiner.

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08-19-2013, 02:20 PM
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http://unitedstatesofhockey.com/2013...on-heating-up/

Great article by Chris Peters of The United States of Hockey. Discusses NCAA decommittments and their impact on the NCAA and more so the USHL. Chris Peters can be followed on Twitter @chrismpeters.

In related news, former Chicago Mission 18U forward Christian Dvorak signed with the London Knights. He was committed to Wisconsin and slated to play for the Steel this season.

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08-19-2013, 07:37 PM
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To see what the depth looks like when posted as lineups, here are the Blackhawks prospects split into two squads (No Saad).

Some of those on team 'B' could make a case for being on the top team, especially on defense and in goal. What do you think?

Jeremy Morin - Brandon Pirri - Teuvo Teravainen
Jimmy Hayes - Drew LeBlanc - Phillip Danault
Ryan Hartman - Mark McNeill - Kevin Hayes
Garret Ross - John Hayden - Ben Smith

Ryan Stanton - Adam Clendening
Stephen Johns - Dillon Fournier
Klas Dahlbeck - Dylan Olsen

Antti Raanta
Mac Carruth

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Kyle Beach - Tyler Motte - Chris Calnan
Vince Hinostroza - Alex Broadhurst - Maxim Shalunov
Luke Johnson - Joakim Nordstrom - Anthony Louis
Terry Broadhurst - David Gilbert - Byron Froese

Carl Dahlstrom - Travis Brown
Nick Mattson - Michael Paliotta
Robin Norell - Sam Jardine
Kiril Gotovets - Robin Press

Kent Simpson
Brandon Whitney
Matt Tomkins

I think that's all of them. A number of college players rights were relinquished this summer.


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08-19-2013, 08:22 PM
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That's a solid looking group.

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08-19-2013, 09:01 PM
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To see what the depth looks like when posted as lineups, here are the Blackhawks prospects split into two squads (No Saad).

Some of those on team 'B' could make a case for being on the top team, especially on defense and in goal. What do you think?

Jeremy Morin - Brandon Pirri - Teuvo Teravainen
Jimmy Hayes - Drew LeBlanc - Phillip Danault
Ryan Hartman - Mark McNeill - Kevin Hayes
Garret Ross - John Hayden - Ben Smith

Ryan Stanton - Adam Clendening
Stephen Johns - Shawn Lalonde
Klas Dahlbeck - Dylan Olsen

Antti Raanta
Mac Carruth

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Kyle Beach - Tyler Motte - Chris Calnan
Vince Hinostroza - Alex Broadhurst - Maxim Shalunov
Luke Johnson - Joakim Nordstrom - Anthony Louis
Terry Broadhurst - David Gilbert - Byron Froese

Dillon Fournier - Travis Brown
Carl Dahlstrom - Michael Paliotta
Robin Norell - Nick Mattson
Sam Jardine - Robin Press
Kirill Gotovets

Kent Simpson
Brandon Whitney
Matt Tomkins

I think that's all of them. A number of college players rights were relinquished this summer.
Shawn Lalonde isn't a Hawks' prospect anymore; he's playing in Germany now.

I'd put Fournier in his place on the 1st group, put Whitney or Simpson in place of Carruth as well and put Dahlstrom over Dahlbeck. Would also probably put Motte over Ross on the 4th line.

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08-19-2013, 10:11 PM
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^^ I agree with HS...and personally I'd replace Carruth with Whitney.

Also...should Teuvo really be on the chart as a RW? It sounds like they still want him to play centre - and that's what he's playing with Jokerit.

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08-20-2013, 12:49 AM
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jep, Teuvo is a Center and will play as one this season. Not sure if I like it but they know better than me for sure

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A few replies to the feedback..

With so many centers, I shifted TT over as we know he can play there. If he ends up as an NHL center that's great.

I forgot about Lalonde going to Germany. I'll edit him out.

The goalies after Raanta are a crapshoot. I put Carruth there because he got more votes in the last prospect poll. I prefer Whitney, and Tomkins is a big sleeper.

Ross is in over Motte due to the fan vote. Ross was voted #16.

Overall, is the pool as deep as you thought?

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08-20-2013, 04:14 PM
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I think Joakim Nordstrom is a bit underrated...I was impressed from what I saw at the WJC and his brief stint in Rockford this season. I think he will be able to be a great 4th line center/decent 3rd line center in a few years. He reminds me a bit of Joakim Andersson from Detroit.

Similarities...both named Joakim. Both picked 3rd round(#88 vs #90 overalls). Both 6'2. Both Swedish. Both centers. Neither had particularly overwhelming stats in the SEL. Both came over to play in the AHL as 21 year olds. Both are considered two way players...ect ect. Just kind of funny to see and I hope Nordstrom can make an impact at the NHL level in the future.

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08-22-2013, 01:47 PM
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here is the rookie tournament roster from the hawks' website. the players with a '*' are free agent invites.

none of this years draft picks are playing (which isn't surprising) and neither is teuvo...maybe this means the rumours of him coming to camp this year aren't true.

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# PLAYER HEIGHT WEIGHT AGE BIRTHPLACE 2011-12 TEAM (S)
62 ALEX BROADHURST 6'0" 170 20 NEW LENOX, IL LONDON (OHL)
56 TERRY BROADHURST 5'11" 162 24 ORLAND PARK, ILL. TOLEDO (ECHL)
24 PHILLIP DANAULT 6'1" 198 20 VICTORIAVILLE, QC MONCTON (QMJHL)
72 CHRIS DESOUSA* 5'8" 191 22 MISSISSAUGA, ON U. OF PRINCE EDWARD IS. (AUS)
58 BYRON FROESE 6'0" 184 22 WINKLER, MB TOLEDO (ECHL)
68 DAVID GILBERT 6'2" 200 22 CHATEAUGUAY, QC BLOOMINGTON (CHL)
14 DREW LEBLANC 6'0" 185 24 HERMANTOWN, MINN. ST. CLOUD STATE (NCHC)
63 JOHNNY MCGUIRE* 6'0" 205 21 LINDSAY, ON ERIE (OHL)
15 MARK MCNEILL 6'1" 214 20 EDMONTON, AB PRINCE ALBERT (WHL)
47 PAT MULLANE 5'11" 190 23 WALLINGFORD, CONN. BOSTON COLLEGE (HE)
42 JOAKIM NORDSTROM 6'2" 176 21 STOCKHOLM, SWE AIK (SWE)
61 GARRET ROSS 6'0" 182 21 DEARBORN HEIGHTS, MICH. SAGINAW (OHL)
46 MAXIM SHALUNOV 6'3" 187 20 CHELYABINSK, RUS CHELMET CHELYABINSK (RUS)
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# PLAYER HEIGHT WEIGHT AGE BIRTHPLACE LAST TEAM
64 TRAVIS BROWN 6'2" 186 19 WINNIPEG, MB MOOSE JAW (WHL)
45 DILLON FOURNIER 6'2" 175 19 MONTREAL, QC ROUYN-NORANDA (QMJHL)
48 JOE GLEASON* 5'9" 175 23 EDINA, MINN. NORTH DAKOTA (NCHC)
41 ADAM HENRY* 5'11" 198 18 WINNIPEG, MB LETHBRIDGE (WHL)
34 DYLAN OLSEN 6'2" 214 22 CALGARY, AB ROCKFORD (AHL)
59 BOBBY SHEA* 5'11" 195 23 HARRISON TOWNSHIP, MICH. BOWLING GREEN (WCHA)
43 VIKTOR SVEDBERG 6'9" 223 22 GOTEBORG, SWE FROLUNDA HC (SWE)
Goaltenders
# PLAYER HEIGHT WEIGHT AGE BIRTHPLACE LAST TEAM
60 MAC CARRUTH 6'4" 181 21 SHOREWOOD, MINN. PORTLAND (WHL)
53 BRANDON WHITNEY 6'6" 198 19 KENTVILLE, NS VICTORIAVILLE (QMJHL)

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08-22-2013, 01:58 PM
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Shalunov coming over and not having a KHL contract adds to the rumors that he's playing in North America this coming season I would think.

Also info on Bobby Shea, saw him at BGSU for 4 years and it was a rollercoaster of emotion from me about him as a player. First couple of seasons they played him at forward and he would just run around out of position and hit everything in sight and take the worst penalties. It was basically run around get a Major penalty or try to instigate the other team. I hated him, Raffi Torres type hate. I even had the pleasure of hearing the coach say that "we all know Bobby Shea is a F***ing ******" while breaking down film.

But he has turned into a really solid defenseman that has settled down a lot since moving to the blueline, he'll still lay big hits but he is a solid skater, good at moving the puck and has a decent scoring touch/hands. He signed a PTO with the Reading Royals got into a couple fights scored some points got signed to the Playoff roster and played 17 playoff games in the ECHL to help Reading win the championship.

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Gleason is a little fellow but he sure was a bundle of energy for the Sioux last year.

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Ok...so two issues..1. you be the coach..how would you set up our lines and d-pairs for this Rookies Tournament for giving us the best chance to win it with this roster? 2. What record will our Rookies Team achieve in the 3 games? I assume they will go to shoot-outs if necessary to decide games after regulatkon and OT if still a tied score.. My hunch is either that we dominate and go 3-0 sending Hawks fans into delerium about how good our pipeline is..OR they get beaten in all 3 games with our two vaunted first rounders MCNeill and Danault doing nada and held pointless...well it will at least be interesting to see how we stack up against other nhl teams rookies squads to see if our pipeline is indeed deep or whether our hype machines.must be tempered back down a notch...of course. TT and others like Clendening and Dahlbeck are not in this tournament so you could say not the best rookies squad we might assemble..but this probably is also true for a couple of our opponents too...it is simple...those we do have there must shine or at leazt hold their own..but if we get dominated then the critics will be on our top brass for over-estimating how great they allegedly are in selecting talent...so it will be vsry interesting to get some answerz.

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