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03-28-2013, 09:21 PM
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MSL is signed for two more seasons.

You start with the same offer for Iginla. You need to add obviously but that's a starter.

Koko
Bartkowski
1st rd pick 2013
2nd rd pick 2013
Ryan Spooner


MSL is signed for two more years so that would give a hell of a scorer for Boston. About Subban... TB doesn't need Subban, they already have Vasilevski.

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03-28-2013, 09:27 PM
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You wouldn't get Lucic if you were the one adding two 1st rounders and a strong prospect. Not sure what you're smoking.
Wow. Your attempt at a retort is actually in fact worse than what you took offense to.

Well done.

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03-28-2013, 09:30 PM
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MSL would be an amazing fit in Boston.

The second coming of Recchi but more skilled and even more of a Bruins type of player.

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03-28-2013, 09:31 PM
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imo Subban for MSL is a good value.

If anything Boston is giving too much. Subban has huge upside as an elite goalie in the league.

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03-28-2013, 09:32 PM
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If either of those trade's went through the B's would announce Chia's being "let go" the next day.

I think the list of what boston will give up is..

1st
2nd
Bartkowski
Caron
Koko
Krug
1. Can we get Bartkowski the hell out of here? We already have enough bottom pairing lack of talent.

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So after all nothing will happen, but let's try some possible trades (valuewise).

My personal offer, because I love Seidenberg:
Seidenberg, 1st 2013 and Koko/ Spooner

Other offer:
Lucic, 1st 2013, 1st 2014 and Koko/ Spooner (maybe Chudinov)


@ Boston fans: Keep in mind MSL is not a rental (as Iginla), you would have MSL at leastuntil the summer of 2015
2. That's a bit much...

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Boston would have to give up too much of their future prospects to make this work, it depends if they want to go all in for this year and maybe next

would probably take Khokhlachev, Spooner, Caron and pick to convince Tampa, who knows?

3. I could see that, if it were a Defensive Prospect with upside like Koko or Spooner.

The bigger problem is that we have A LOT of prospects that have top 6 potential and is a bit of a log jam.

I would simply say that these two teams are not good trading partners. BUT... My semi-realistic homer value would be (and I certainly would not take this offer if I were Tampa's GM):

Seidenberg, 1st, 2nd


I wouldn't do it. Heart-Wrenching and not enough for my sentimental value.

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03-28-2013, 09:37 PM
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Wow. Your attempt at a retort is actually in fact worse than what you took offense to.

Well done.
I thought so.

You think you get Lucic for a 37 year old MSL? You have to add a fair amount.

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03-28-2013, 09:44 PM
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You wouldn't get Lucic if you were the one adding two 1st rounders and a strong prospect. Not sure what you're smoking.
You shouldn't Counter one absurd proposal with another.

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03-28-2013, 09:46 PM
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I thought so.

You think you get Lucic for a 37 year old MSL? You have to add a fair amount.
No, no we wouldn't.

But I don't want anything to do with Lucic.

And he's 37 years old and still has 24 more points then him.

He's infinitely the better hockey player and I'd rather have a guy who can put up points than a guy who can throw a punch.

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03-28-2013, 09:55 PM
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I thought so.

You think you get Lucic for a 37 year old MSL? You have to add a fair amount.
I understand the misgivings one might have with dealing Lucic, he's a damn good player. But your out of your mind if you think he's worth more than MSL, who's been a top 5-ish scorer in this league for around a decade now.

Its a moot point anyways since the Lightning wouldn't be targeting Lucic.

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03-28-2013, 10:04 PM
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I thought so.

You think you get Lucic for a 37 year old MSL? You have to add a fair amount.
Easily.

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03-28-2013, 10:07 PM
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MSL is signed for two more seasons.

You start with the same offer for Iginla. You need to add obviously but that's a starter.

Koko
Bartkowski
1st rd pick 2013
2nd rd pick 2013
Ryan Spooner


MSL is signed for two more years so that would give a hell of a scorer for Boston. About Subban... TB doesn't need Subban, they already have Vasilevski.
Respectfully... what BOS was offering to CGY was garbage for Iginla, it was just that CGY was handcuffed a bit and you know, Feaster.

To get Marty out on this contract it'd be a first and two prospects, A and B caliber.

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03-28-2013, 10:35 PM
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Subban +1st

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03-28-2013, 10:42 PM
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Nope...How good would a soon to be 38 year old winger fare here alongside a bunch of 60 point players and not the best scorer in the league....Now I'm not denying Marty is still a great player. I just don't want to give up what Stevie Y would be asking for, when I know he wouldn't be the same statistical monster in Boston that he is in Tampa.

Also...Has Marty even said he would leave Tampa? I assume he has a not trade clause (but I'm too lazy to look that up).


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03-28-2013, 11:07 PM
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I thought so.

You think you get Lucic for a 37 year old MSL? You have to add a fair amount.
I'll take Marty over Lucic any day of the week, and I'm sure the rest of the league would too.

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03-28-2013, 11:17 PM
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Marty would be great on the Bruins. But, I'm not sure of so many things?


1. Does Tampa want to trade him?
2. Does Marty have a NTC?
3. What's it gonna cost?


Great player...still producing but he is 38yrs old.

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03-28-2013, 11:34 PM
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Well this would certainly be a pipe dream of mine and take the sting off of yesterday's fiasco

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03-28-2013, 11:38 PM
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MSL

Subban
Koko
2nd

Bruins get top 3 forward, TB gets essentially 2 2nds and a 1st, not as much as the Phil Kessel trade to account for age but that much becuase of the pedigree MSL would bring.

Team leader, PPG player, all world passer and pretty good goal scorer.

Good trade for both teams IMO.

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03-28-2013, 11:42 PM
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If either of those trade's went through the B's would announce Chia's being "let go" the next day.

I think the list of what boston will give up is..

1st
2nd
Bartkowski
Caron
Koko
Krug
You could offer all of those and the Lightning would decline. People seem to compare offers that the B's made for Iginla to ones that would potentially be made for St. Louis but there's just one problem:

Martin St. Louis is a much, MUCH better player at this point in his career and is showing no signs of slowing down ala Teemu Selanne. You've definitely got to give up something prominent to get St. Louis like a Dougie Hamilton

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03-28-2013, 11:59 PM
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I don't see the Bruins offering what it would take to get him. I understand being concerned about the age factor, but what sign has MSL shown of slowing down? Look at a guy like Selanne. Since turning 40 the guy has 65 goals and 166 pts in 188 games. MSL is cut from a similar cloth, both in terms of his off-ice dedication and his mind for the game. Yzerman new what he was doing with the length of that extension. As others said, bad trade partners.

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03-29-2013, 12:06 AM
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Take the Iginla trade and add a bit:

2013 1st
2014 1st
Bartkowski
Koko
Caron

I would do that as a B's fan.

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03-29-2013, 12:10 AM
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imo Subban for MSL is a good value.

If anything Boston is giving too much. Subban has huge upside as an elite goalie in the league.
lol at Boston giving too much

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03-29-2013, 12:18 AM
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Although they are different players (Iginla and MSL), the bruins have showed their hand a bit regarding "trade payment" after trying to acquire Iginla. IMO, the "value" of a player depends on what he brings to your team...so, what is boston's bigger need: a veteran scorer/strength based player or a veteran playmaker/skill based player?

The players have different roles, as Iginla is a power forward, while Marty has become a more of a passer/playmaker pure scorer. Since the start of 05-06, Iginla has 592 pts (275g,317a), while St. Louis has 635 (222g, 413a). Iginla has about 50 more goals, while St. Louis has about 100 more assists. While St. Louis is older, Iginla has been in the NHL longer, so I think the "age" argument may not have as big of a gap as some may think.

Why is this relevant? From what I have seen from the bruins, I think the skills of St. Louis would be a better fit offensively than Iginla. A passer and high skill guy would be better than a guy whose game is based more in strength...boston isn't lacking strength.

This view of player A vs. player B from the perspective of Lightning fans (and likely SFY) would dictate a large trade package on boston's end. What that value is would likely start around what was offered for Iginla and probably increase...to the point boston would have no interest in making a deal.

FTR, I don't ever want Marty to leave Tampa...even if he is -5 per game and makes Brian Lee look like Gretzky!

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03-29-2013, 12:26 AM
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Jordan Caron, Nathan Horton, Ryan Spooner. Anymore than that and I'd pass. There are always other options and goal scorers who would be good fits. Wonder what Yzerman would want though.

Bruins need PP help and a PMD. Cullen from Minnesota would help the PP and Mark Streit would be perfect. Personally not too interested in older guys that cost a fortune for what they did in the past.

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Is Purcell available?

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03-29-2013, 03:38 AM
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Is Purcell available?
Yes, we have no real need for him anymore.
Something around a 1st could be used as a start.

Maybe the rights of Chudinov would be nice as well, but not sure how you guys value him.

Oh and stop the Subban proposals, we don't need him, we already have a little better goalie prospect in Vasilevski

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