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The 2013 NHL Entry Draft: Part II | [Avs Currently In: 29th overall]

View Poll Results: Besides the Big 3 who would you want the Avs to draft?
Barkov 58 44.62%
Erne 1 0.77%
Lindholm 23 17.69%
Monahan 6 4.62%
Nichushkin 16 12.31%
Nurse 9 6.92%
Pulock 2 1.54%
Ristolainen 3 2.31%
Shinkaruk 6 4.62%
Wennberg 2 1.54%
Zadorov 1 0.77%
OTHER 3 2.31%
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04-20-2013, 12:59 PM
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Panthers assistant GM just talked about Jones and MacKinnon he seemed more pumped about Jones though
come on down nathan drouin ! i have no clue which one they would be after.

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Panthers up 2-0!
It's 2-3 now. Panthers have 8 shots after more than half the game. They're in a bad place at the moment. Hard to see them not finish 30th.

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come on down nathan drouin ! i have no clue which one they would be after.
IMO, it would be Mackinnon easily.

Up until recently he was the 1B of the draft, Drouin wasn't even on his level. Mack bring a more complete game and seems like the exact type of player the Avs target.


What would be interesting, is if there was a way for the Avs to trade for the #3 pick as well and draft Mack and Drouin.

To bad ROR couldn't be traded. If CGY ended up at #3, I would bet we could get the #3 from them for ROR + our 2nd.

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04-20-2013, 01:28 PM
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"he's lying, it's a smokescreen, there's no way they'd take Jones."

these are the things i'm telling myself if Florida gets the #1

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04-20-2013, 01:31 PM
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Cats will pick up Jones and then they'll consider moving either Kulikov (more likely) or Gudbranson.

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Cats will pick up Jones and then they'll consider moving either Kulikov (more likely) or Gudbranson.
why? their D is beyond horrendous. if anything getting Jones should make them keep both and develop their D similar to what Tallon did with the Hawks. though granted their two best D men were drafted before he was the full on GM.

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Panthers are uncatchable. They suck HARD.

If we finish 29th i will be VERY happy. It means we pick no worse then 3, and still have a chance at 1.

Its pretty much only 3 teams we have to worry about. Carolina, Tampa and Nashville. Luckily the Canes and Bolts play eachother tomorrow which is huge. Plus the Canes play tonight against a struggling Flyers team.

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Damn, Florida really suck

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Also Tampa play Florida and Nashville play Calgary one more time.

I think we'll be ok for 29th.

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why? their D is beyond horrendous. if anything getting Jones should make them keep both and develop their D similar to what Tallon did with the Hawks. though granted their two best D men were drafted before he was the full on GM.
Because Kulikov IMHO isn't the part of the solution in Florida. I honestly fail to see why some people are so enamored with him.

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Because Kulikov IMHO isn't the part of the solution in Florida. I honestly fail to see why some people are so enamored with him.
This, he's an interesting young player but he wouldn't be my first choice as a partner for EJ. Especially since I believe we need someone with more offensive upside.

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04-20-2013, 01:55 PM
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IMO, it would be Mackinnon easily.

Up until recently he was the 1B of the draft, Drouin wasn't even on his level. Mack bring a more complete game and seems like the exact type of player the Avs target.


What would be interesting, is if there was a way for the Avs to trade for the #3 pick as well and draft Mack and Drouin.

To bad ROR couldn't be traded. If CGY ended up at #3, I would bet we could get the #3 from them for ROR + our 2nd.
I'm fantasying:

1st pick = Fla = Mackinnon
2nd pick = Col = Jones
3rd pick = Cal = Trade to Col for Stastny+Jones+Barrie -> Drouin

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Drouin - Duchene - Parenteau

Hejda - Jones

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Because Kulikov IMHO isn't the part of the solution in Florida. I honestly fail to see why some people are so enamored with him.
i don't really care for him, but the Panthers D is bad and they can't really afford to move guys without signing better replacements,drafting well and developing them to the NHL level.

the notion that they would trade either two of their better D man is akin to all the Avs fans saying we should trade one of Barrie or Elliot once Siemens comes up. it makes no realistic sense unless you're planning on being active in FA, but this next class is kinda crappy.

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the notion that they would trade either two of their better D man is akin to all the Avs fans saying we should trade one of Barrie or Elliot once Siemens comes up. it makes no realistic sense unless you're planning on being active in FA, but this next class is kinda crappy.
I think it's a given that Barrie will be traded should the Avs draft Jones.

Not going to run with EJ, Jones, Elliott and Barrie on the right side for long.

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04-20-2013, 02:31 PM
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I think it's a given that Barrie will be traded should the Avs draft Jones.

Not going to run with EJ, Jones, Elliott and Barrie on the right side for long.
Unless one of them magically plays on the left side. A strange thought, right? Right-handed guys playing the left side is as foreign as left-handed guys playing... the right side.

You don't move guys as talented as they are simply because they all shoot from the same side.

The only one I don't see shifting is Erik, he looks too awkward. The others could all play the left side and not look out of place imo, Barrie or Elliott I think it might even improve their games to get a better shooting lane. Elliott already shoots from the left on the PP very well, looks comfortable there when he's attacking in the offensive zone too.

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For like the one milionth time Seth Jones can play on the left side.

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Most d-men don't have problems switching sides.

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I think it's a given that Barrie will be traded should the Avs draft Jones.

Not going to run with EJ, Jones, Elliott and Barrie on the right side for long.
a given how? our D corps are possibly the worst in the NHL.
EJ,Barrie & Elliot are all talented but that's only 3 D men, if we get Jones that's only 4.
Wilson may or may not be in the equation, you have Hedja who gives you 5(and he's most likely part of your 2nd pairing), if Wilson stays that's 6.
when Siemens comes up you probably move Wilson since he'll cost more than Barrie or Elliot for a few years.
still leaves you with a total of 6 and 3 pairs of D men.

where in there is there room to deal Barrie or Elliot? playing on the opposite side of your shooting hand has only been obsessed over lately.
right handed people are predominantly more common than lefties. even in sports this occurs, so you're telling me because some newish idea of needing to play on the side of your handedness warrants dealing away talent guys because a coach can't figure out how to help them move to the off hand?

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I'm fantasying:

1st pick = Fla = Mackinnon
2nd pick = Col = Jones
3rd pick = Cal = Trade to Col for Stastny+Jones+Barrie -> Drouin

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Drouin - Duchene - Parenteau

Hejda - Jones
I don't think it would be worth it to trade for another Top 3 pick unless a team does it with the intentions of drafting both Mack and Drouin. The two of them together will make them both better players in the NHL IMO. Separate they'll both still be very good. But together I think they could form a duo similar to the Sedins.

Even so, Im not sure Stastny + Jones + Barrie gets us Drouin. It would take a significant + to Stas to get that pick, Jones(Assuming David) doesn't do that, neither does Barrie.


Now. I would possibly offer Stastny + 2014 1st to whoever is in the top 3 for the #3 + 2014 3rd say.

A big risk by moving our 2014 1st, and wouldn't happen unless management believe Barrie/Elliott can be effective Top 4 Dmen for us next year. But adding Mack and Drouin to our offense makes it elite.

McGinn - Duchene - PAP
Drouin - Mackinnon - Landy
Jones - Oreilly - Downie


Could afford to package our 2013 2nd + a forward prospect then(Sgarbossa) for an ok young Dman with Top 3 upside.

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For like the one milionth time Seth Jones can play on the left side.
Thanks Ivan for the info.

Jones played left while Trouba played on his right side at the last WJC.

Lots of people here are saying that left or right is not important.Not true. If Jones is able to play both side it means that his IQ is off the chart and from the games I had the chance to see him play, that guy is a future all star player and has everything we are looking for. (By the way, Being from the Q, I had the chance to see Drouin and Mack play at least 10 times and I would say this...just wow)

Concerning that Left or Right thing, I saw Streit (who is a natural RD) play on the left side when he was playing in Montreal and, he was horrible. When he is plays on the right side, you wont have any issue with him on 5 on 5 but if he is on the left side...oufff!!!!

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I'm fantasying:

1st pick = Fla = Mackinnon
2nd pick = Col = Jones
3rd pick = Cal = Trade to Col for Stastny+Jones+Barrie -> Drouin

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Drouin - Duchene - Parenteau

Hejda - Jones
Calgary would never do it ... But for me Barrie is a keeper. Thee only way I would give Barrie + Stastny + in a trade is if a guy like OEL is in the deal.

A lot of people are fans of Kulikov and Yandle but they are not in the same league as OEL.

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Calgary would never do it ... But for me Barrie is a keeper. Thee only way I would give Barrie + Stastny + in a trade is if a guy like OEL is in the deal.

A lot of people are fans of Kulikov and Yandle but they are not in the same league as OEL.
Which is why you wouldn't get OEL for anything but a Duchene level return.

Yandle > Kulikov IMO, Yandle is proven and you pretty much know what you're going to get with him. Kulikov is a huge freaking question mark, and not an offensive guy at all. All three guys are on different levels.

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Which is why you wouldn't get OEL for anything but a Duchene level return.

Yandle > Kulikov IMO, Yandle is proven and you pretty much know what you're going to get with him. Kulikov is a huge freaking question mark, and not an offensive guy at all. All three guys are on different levels.
I know that OEL is next to untouchable and we would need to put Duchene on the line.

And call me crazy, but I still beleive that I would not do a Barrie + for Kulikov. I really like what I saw from Barrie this year and like Kulikov is still a question mark. I talked to some Panthers fan and they were not impressed with his play this year.

Yandke I like, but he would be to expensive for a guy that does not play the PK.

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Say Jones plays LHD, long term the Avs will look like:

Jones – Johnson
Siemens – Elliott

Barrie 3rd paring dman? Probably Making 2-3 mill? I don’t think so.

RH dman are a rare comodity in the NHL. Avs can get alot from trading Barrie to address other needs. Plus Hejda, O’Brien, Wilson, Zanon, Hunwick aren’t all going to just go away.

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Avs aren't going to trade Barrie because at some point in the future Jones and Elliott might be top four defenders.

Should Avs be in a position where they have such a wealth of riches on defense that one will be expendable eventually, things will work themselves out.

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