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Iginla Trade: Who's to blame?

View Poll Results: Iginla Trade: Who's to blame?
Jarome Iginla 68 36.36%
Jay Feaster 46 24.60%
Peter Chiarelli 13 6.95%
All of the above 8 4.28%
Some of the above (please explain) 11 5.88%
No one / some one else 41 21.93%
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03-29-2013, 02:07 PM
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How's he screwing over the young Boston players in the deal? you think they wanted to be traded?

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Does he say that Iginla wouldn't want to choose if there were multiple offers? It's a moot point anyway as he had a NMC which gave him complete control of the situation.
Listen to the Podcasts in the OP, King makes it clear that they didn't present offers to Iginla. He tries (and fails) to make it seem like Calgary accepted the Pittsburgh offer because it was better than Boston's offer.

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03-29-2013, 02:11 PM
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How's he screwing over the young Boston players in the deal? you think they wanted to be traded?
Because the young players now know that Boston traded them.

Now they think that Boston doesn't want them.

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03-29-2013, 02:14 PM
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Because the young players now know that Boston traded them.

Now they think that Boston doesn't want them.
So?

Nearly everyone in Toronto plays under that speculation. Bad game? Time to get traded for picks.

If this failed trade is effecting their minds, may be Koko and Bart need to look for a more stable career.

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03-29-2013, 02:15 PM
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Because the young players now know that Boston traded them.

Now they think that Boston doesn't want them.
Hockey's a business and it's not like they were being moved for a scrub. All it takes is a 1 on 1 with Chiarelli to fix that bridge and hopefully he'll motivate Koko to prove him wrong (Bartkowski's neither here nor there).

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The media if anybody, this is being blown way out of proportion
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This.
I'll 2nd that, the media is always hyped over the "trade deadline" when nothing happens so this is the next best thing in the current "twitterverse"

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Iginla gave 4 teams he would be willing to go to

Feaster got 2 acceptable offers

Feaster wanted Iginla to decide between the two teams

Iginla decided



I feel like no one here has actually read the CBA article relating to NMC.
Exactly people forget that with a NTC a player has rights and they ask for them for a reason.

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I would like to suggest its Feaster but it was Sutter before him too. I look to ownership telling these guys not to go full rebuild. The trades the gms made to improve the team backfired . But most importantly, their player development is virtually non existent. They need to restructure their entire organization like the Canucks did ten years ago and learn to develop its players from draft day onwards.
Exactly, Iggy is 35 and his value is alot lower than amny Flames fans wish to admit.

any team trading for him is getting a guy tied for 73rd in NHL goal scoring for less than 15 games plus the playoff run.

They are not getting the 50 goal Iggy for a couple of years.

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I'll 2nd that, the media is always hyped over the "trade deadline" when nothing happens so this is the next best thing in the current "twitterverse"



Exactly people forget that with a NTC a player has rights and they ask for them for a reason.



Exactly, Iggy is 35 and his value is alot lower than amny Flames fans wish to admit.

any team trading for him is getting a guy tied for 73rd in NHL goal scoring for less than 15 games plus the playoff run.

They are not getting the 50 goal Iggy for a couple of years.
73rd in NHL scoring would make him a legitimate top line scorer, assuming there are 90 players on respective top lines in the league.

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Hockey's a business and it's not like they were being moved for a scrub. All it takes is a 1 on 1 with Chiarelli to fix that bridge and hopefully he'll motivate Koko to prove him wrong (Bartkowski's neither here nor there).
I don't disagree. I was just answering your question.

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03-29-2013, 02:19 PM
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Because the young players now know that Boston traded them.

Now they think that Boston doesn't want them.
the cat was already out of the bag. Koko was on the table for B. Morrow.

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03-29-2013, 02:24 PM
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Except that's not what happened. You can lie all you want, but it doesn't change the facts.

Feaster had two acceptable deals and ALLOWED Iginla to choose. It's not Iginla's fault that the media and Feaster screwed up.
That isn't what happened according to Feaster or Chiarelli.

Feaster told Chiarelli that they had a deal and when he went to have Iginla sign off on it he only wanted to go to Pittsburgh.

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No one's fault really.

The organization did right by Iginla, and he felt Pittsburgh was where he had the best shot. The return sucks, but I'm sure Iginla remembers this favour in the future when he's looking to close out his career.

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Really?

Nobody. Jarome says four teams in case the one he wants doesn't pan out. He has final say. Feaster deals with the four. Says there is a deal pending the decision of the player. Player declines. That is his right. Feaster does what he has to in the best interest of his team and with the NTC the player has.

The only (tiny) error in all of this was Peter Chiarelli expecting something that was never sent to league offices for confirmation. But even that is a minor mistake. The Bruins don't lose anything except for expectations.

This is being blown out of proportion by fans who thought they were getting a player that in reality they never had a chance at getting, and the media trying to create an ongoing story.

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03-29-2013, 02:41 PM
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Chiarelli. Acting like it was a done-deal and not following up? That is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

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Chiarelli. Acting like it was a done-deal and not following up? That is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
Feaster told him that it was a done deal and they agreed to pull their players.

Chiarelli did follow up numerous times but Feaster stopped returning his calls.

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Iginla gave 4 teams he would be willing to go to

Feaster got 2 acceptable offers

Feaster wanted Iginla to decide between the two teams

Iginla decided



I feel like no one here has actually read the CBA article relating to NMC.
This^

Feaster liked Boston's deal better but felt they were close so he gave Iginla the list of teams with valid offers and as a sign of respect to Iginla he let him choose the team he would take a run to the cup with.

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Guy played over a decade and a half for one organization who failed repeatedly at building a true contender around him for the better part of that decade and a half. He over payed his dues. He has the right, and should have the respect, to choose his destination.

Boston had the best deal, but that didn't matter. Time was given to Jarome to think it through and he chose his destination. It was not Boston. Boston needs to get over this. Boston fans are quite frankly, being a little sensitive and overly butt hurt about a guy who owes them absolutely nothing.

Again, Jarome Iginla, 16 years of commitment, organization fails him time and time again, least they can do is let him choose where he would be happy, that place is Pittsburgh. Take a Xanax Boston.

This hardo talk about how you are going to boo him and Milan "I typically try to fight guys who don't really fight" Lucic is going to beat up Iginla is even more pathetic. It's downright awkward to be honest. How sore are those holes over a guy you have had no association with other than your GM trying to acquire him? Bengay?


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This^

Feaster liked Boston's deal better but felt they were close so he gave Iginla the list of teams with valid offers and as a sign of respect to Iginla he let him choose the team he would take a run to the cup with.
Except that we've already established that did Not happen.

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Well, he has a NTC so he has the right to waive only if he wants, so he was the one who decided PIT>BOS.

The only reason this was a debacle was because the media leaked info that Boston acquired Iginla before Iginla actually officially waived his NTC. So whoever the media got the info from (or whichever side leaked to the media) is to blame for the incident.

If the media never said that Boston was 100% getting Iginla, then nothing would be thought of it.


I say this as a Bruins fan too T_T

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Except that we've already established that did Not happen.
Yes it did King said, Feaster said it, Iginla said it.

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Feaster. All he had to do was say to Boston: "We have a deal, PENDING FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE PLAYER IN QUESTION".

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Chiarelli. Acting like it was a done-deal and not following up? That is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
He did try to follow up; Feaster just didn't return any calls. Scratching Bartkowski and Koko was simply a part of operating under the protocol of being told they had a deal, even though something seemed to be up. It's not like he boarded them on a plane to Calgary and put out a press release that they had acquired Iginla. Honestly, what else was he supposed to do?

I think Feaster and Iginla share the blame. Feaster for being incompetent, and Iginla for trying to uphold a false righteous image when he could have avoided all this by simply demanding a trade to Pittsburgh.

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Yes it did King said, Feaster said it, Iginla said it.
King did Not say that. I suggest that you listen to the Bob McCowan Podcasts again.

King tried (and failed) to make it seem like it was because the Pittsburgh offer was better than the Boston offer. He also confirmed that Iginla gave a list of 4 Teams and that Boston was one of those 4 Teams.

Iginla went back on his word (of 4 Teams) plain and simple.

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King did Not say that. I suggest that you listen to the Bob McCowan Podcasts again.

King tried (and failed) to make it seem like it was because the Pittsburgh offer was better than the Boston offer. He also confirmed that Iginla gave a list of 4 Teams and that Boston was one of those 4 Teams.

Iginla went back on his word (of 4 Teams) plain and simple.
No he didn't you are trying to make a witch hunt.

Iginla and Feaster have said Iginla had the option between Boston and Pitts and Iginla said Pitts. I am not getting into this you want to believe that Iginla screwed the Flames or Bruins some how it simply isn't true. Have fun trying to find evidence of this grand conspiracy.

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