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03-30-2013, 04:45 PM
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Maybe not, but he's clearly not some bum to be pawned off for a combination of Whitney, Hemsky, Belanger, picks.

If we offered some combination of Gunnarsson, MacArthur, 2014 picks for Eberle I'm sure you'd find it putrid.
Agreed. The original proposal is pretty bad. The only way it becomes good is if the Oilers fall to near the bottom of the standings or win the lottery.

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Get out of your inferiority complex, Leaf fans don't care for the Oilers. Most of them probably cheered for your team during your cup run. It's disheartening seeing how much of your fanbase has a disdain for the leafs like we are your #1 rivals outside of Alberta.
Maybe it has something to do with your fan bases hard on for the oilers rebuild. The inferiority complex is the leaf fans having to prove "their way" was better then "tanking." It used to be the trolls in Oiler threads were Canuck fans. They have become the voices of reason compared to Toronto posters

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03-30-2013, 04:52 PM
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Maybe it has something to do with your fan bases hard on for the oilers rebuild. The inferiority complex is the leaf fans having to prove "their way" was better then "tanking." It used to be the trolls in Oiler threads were Canuck fans. They have become the voices of reason compared to Toronto posters
To be honest, Canuck fans have actually had a team with president trophy wins. Toronto is in 6th place currently in the east and Kadri has a big season, and all of a sudden some leaf fans are talking as if they are the next Penguins.

Stupid comments like "look who is in a playoffs spot" are just absolutely idiotic and have no place as an argument in threads where people are actually trying to gauge value in potential trades.

People need to start watching other teams or at bare minimum doing a google search before they start commenting on other teams players that they don't know anything about.

I thought oilers homers were bad but man.... some leafs fans on these boards are coming out with even more homer-istic posts....

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03-30-2013, 04:53 PM
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To be honest, Canuck fans have actually had a team with president trophy wins. Toronto is in 6th place currently in the east and Kadri has a big season, and all of a sudden some leaf fans are talking as if they are the next Penguins.

Stupid comments like "look who is in a playoffs spot" are just absolutely idiotic and have no place as an argument in threads where people are actually trying to gauge value in potential trades.

People need to start watching other teams or at bare minimum doing a google search before they start commenting on other teams players that they don't know anything about.

I thought oilers homers were bad but man.... some leafs fans on these boards are coming out with even more homer-istic posts....
To be frank, that comes from the countless years of being made fun of and people saying "lol leaf fans actually think their players have value?" or "Player x won't get anybody for the leafs and they suck trololol"

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03-30-2013, 04:56 PM
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No one on Carolina or New York or Philadelphia have any value then? This is seriously the logic being used?
Why don't you read what I quoted?
"lol leafs fans keep dreaming about your players having any value in this league"

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03-30-2013, 05:04 PM
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Agreed. The original proposal is pretty bad. The only way it becomes good is if the Oilers fall to near the bottom of the standings or win the lottery.
If the pick was top pick in 2013 you'd be absolutely correct. Maybe the Leafs would even have to add if it were top 7, but the OP listed a 2014 pick.

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03-30-2013, 05:07 PM
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To be frank, that comes from the countless years of being made fun of and people saying "lol leaf fans actually think their players have value?" or "Player x won't get anybody for the leafs and they suck trololol"
so ignorant posts are justified because they've been done to your team?

come on... edmonton has been living this for years too so don't give me that garbage.

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No thanks. Whole lot of meh coming back to the Leafs. Change the 1st to 2013 and remove Khabibulin, Grabovski, and Belanger and i'd think about it.
LOL so:

Gagner, 2013 1st, Smid for Gardiner?!?!?!

Leafs homerism at the finest

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03-30-2013, 05:11 PM
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That's stretching it.

Ottawa - Who knows
Philly - Win
New Jersey - Lose
Rangers - Who knows
Rangers - Who knows
Montreal - Lose
Jersey - Lose
Washington - Win
Islanders - Who knows
Ottawa - Who knows
Tampa - Win
Florida Win
Montreal - Lose

4 wins, 4 loses and 5 others that could go either way.
Why bother even making a list? Complete waste of your time

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03-30-2013, 05:24 PM
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Who's in a playoff spot?


Been a long time since that could be said.
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Eberle for Gardiner.
Now we're talkin'!

I still want RNH above the other Wonder Kids.


But seriously in any deal where Gards is going and a pick is coming back it HAS to be 2013 1st. No way the LEafs risk EDM having the breakout season they were supposed to have this year, and the pick ends up in 20's.


But if the Leafs are going to be playing Kostka and Liles over Gards then lets move him. He's become Carlyle's version of how Wilson treated Kadri.

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I'd put Pits and Boston against any two teams you can pull out of the West.

yeah but that's not the point... it's not the top teams that determine how easy it is to make the playoffs in one division vs. the other it's the bottom teams and that SE division is just soooo weak, I'd love to see the oilers play in that division, they could do what the jets are doing there I have no doubts.

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Maybe it has something to do with your fan bases hard on for the oilers rebuild. The inferiority complex is the leaf fans having to prove "their way" was better then "tanking." It used to be the trolls in Oiler threads were Canuck fans. They have become the voices of reason compared to Toronto posters
May I answer that little bit o nonsense with:

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Who's in a playoff spot?
See everyone can be silly.

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yeah but that's not the point... it's not the top teams that determine how easy it is to make the playoffs in one division vs. the other it's the bottom teams and that SE division is just soooo weak, I'd love to see the oilers play in that division, they could do what the jets are doing there I have no doubts.
You just keep thinking that.

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Who's in a playoff spot?
And I'm just as surprised as you are.

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Been a long time since that could be said.

Now we're talkin'!

I still want RNH above the other Wonder Kids.


But seriously in any deal where Gards is going and a pick is coming back it HAS to be 2013 1st. No way the LEafs risk EDM having the breakout season they were supposed to have this year, and the pick ends up in 20's.


But if the Leafs are going to be playing Kostka and Liles over Gards then lets move him. He's become Carlyle's version of how Wilson treated Kadri.
I will say that I really like Gardiner and I'm not one of those to spout the ohhh he had a concussion so he's garbage ********. I do however think Gardiner alone doesn't get Eberle, although I'm not sure the Leafs would want to target Eberle if the cost is going to be Gardiner plus something significant.

RNH I don't see as being available, Oilers have been looking for that potential number 1 centre for longer than the Leafs have (Oilers last number 1 centre was Doug Weight). For RNH it'd have to be some ridiculous no brainer deal like JVR plus Gardiner and even then probably both teams are unhappy because the leafs are paying huge before they see how good Kadri can be and the Oilers get two talented guys and again have a huge hole in the middle with Horcoff once again being the second line centre.

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LOL so:

Gagner, 2013 1st, Smid for Gardiner?!?!?!

Leafs homerism at the finest
I apologize, i also meant to take out Gagner. Smid + 1st 2013 for Gardiner is what i meant. sorry for that. Thats also a deal that stands to benefit both clubs and is as close to a fair trade for Gardiner as the Oilers would likely consider.

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I apologize, i also meant to take out Gagner. Smid + 1st 2013 for Gardiner is what i meant. sorry for that. Thats also a deal that stands to benefit both clubs and is as close to a fair trade for Gardiner as the Oilers would likely consider.
LOL

Sorry, but why do the Oilers do this again??? giving away their first AND smid??

The more realistic option would be -->

a) re-sign Smid, having be your core defensive defenseman
b) keep the first round pick

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LOL

Sorry, but why do the Oilers do this again??? giving away their first AND smid??

The more realistic option would be -->

a) re-sign Smid, having be your core defensive defenseman
b) keep the first round pick
Not saying they would but it isnt unrealistic. As for why the Oilers would do it? If they knew Smid wasnt going to resign, Gardiner is a great prospect and has history with another young defenseman on the Oil. For crying out loud do the Oiler fans think all their players were born in gold mangers with a halo over their heads? Smid is good, but to say the Oilers dont even consider it is laughable. Yet im the homer here.

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I apologize, i also meant to take out Gagner. Smid + 1st 2013 for Gardiner is what i meant. sorry for that. Thats also a deal that stands to benefit both clubs and is as close to a fair trade for Gardiner as the Oilers would likely consider.
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Smid Career stats: 442 GP 9 G 52 A 61 Pts -42 361 PIM 510 Hits 468 Bks

Gardiner Career stats: 82 GP 7 G 25 A 32 Pts -2 18 PIM 56 Hits 100 Bks


Gardiner has really good stats for a young defenseman who has only played 82 games. He's already got half the points that Smid has. But Smid is a completely different type of player. He's not being used as a puck mover or PP specialist. He's a defensive defenseman. One that the Oilers really need right now. Don't let the -42 deceive you. The guy has been the bright light in a defensively challenged team over the last few years. Besides Fistric and Peckham who are clearly inferior to him in hockey skill, he's the only one who can really throw a hit and excels at blocking shots.

In fact, Smid currently is 3rd in the league in hits for defensemen and 4th in the league in BkS

He is not someone that you package a first round pick with for a player that (although likely has a very bright future) is not fully proven and is not a clear upgrade.

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Not saying they would but it isnt unrealistic. As for why the Oilers would do it? If they knew Smid wasnt going to resign, Gardiner is a great prospect and has history with another young defenseman on the Oil. For crying out loud do the Oiler fans think all their players were born in gold mangers with a halo over their heads? Smid is good, but to say the Oilers dont even consider it is laughable. Yet im the homer here.
You obviously don't know anything about Smid.


Where are you getting that he isn't going to re-sign in Edmonton? All signs thusfar point to him staying.

Gardiner is not an upgrade on Smid IMO. Trading Smid and a 1st for Gardiner adds more holes to the Oilers defense and additionally you are losing a 1st round pick which could be a top 15 pick in a deep draft? There is absolutely NO reason for the Oilers to do that to themselves.


Would the Oilers have interest in Gardiner? Absolutely. For the ridiculous proposal you made ? Absolutely not.

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You obviously don't know anything about Smid.


Where are you getting that he isn't going to re-sign in Edmonton? All signs thusfar point to him staying.

Gardiner is not an upgrade on Smid IMO. Trading Smid and a 1st for Gardiner adds more holes to the Oilers defense and additionally you are losing a 1st round pick which could be a top 15 pick in a deep draft? There is absolutely NO reason for the Oilers to do that to themselves.


Would the Oilers have interest in Gardiner? Absolutely. For the ridiculous proposal you made ? Absolutely not.
Notice i said "if". i have nothing further to discuss with you considering that flew right over your head.

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Notice i said "if". i have nothing further to discuss with you considering that flew right over your head.
It didn't fly over my head I definitely saw it. But there is no point in even mentioning it yet because Smid is likely going to re-sign in Edmonton

It looks like that, plus pretty much everything else I said flew over your head.

Also, thanks for not discussing anything further. I'll take that as you conceding.

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no room for Belanger reduce it to Smid + 1st for Gardiner I could live with that. And this is banking on Edmonton missing the playoffs and hopefully getting a top 10 pick

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no room for Belanger reduce it to Smid + 1st for Gardiner I could live with that. And this is banking on Edmonton missing the playoffs and hopefully getting a top 10 pick
The problem is there's no way the Oilers do that. Would I give up a top 10 pick for Gardiner? Perhaps not knocking him I think he's a good player but no way I'd give Smid plus a top 10 pick for him. Smid for Gardiner is close to a straight across trade than it is Smid plus a 1st rounder.

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no room for Belanger reduce it to Smid + 1st for Gardiner I could live with that. And this is banking on Edmonton missing the playoffs and hopefully getting a top 10 pick
I wouldn't give Smid OR a first for Gardiner, let alone both.

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