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03-30-2013, 11:03 AM
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He got back to basics after starting the season trying to do everything. Now his game is as good as he ever was,if not better than it ever was. Funny how everybody tdefensemen don't really get the game until they are in their late twenties and still there is a unrest while a defenseman is trying to get there.

He will most likely get even better over the course of the next few years.
I agree, he most definitely is playing well and is playing a much improved game. I do not think it is only his age, but has a lot to do with playing for a coach that understands the position....I had high hopes for Carlyle and his affect on Dion and it seems that he has been a tremendous influence on Dion along with Dave Farrish.

We do need to find a big D man who can play with Dion or another top 3-4 D man who can help reduce the number of minutes that Dion plays.

I have been among the most critically of Dion on here, mostly because of issues that have nothing to do with on ice play.....Carlyle it seems has made a huge difference with the on ice product but even more so off the ice.....impressed!

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I lol'd at one of the comments

"I can accept Phaneuf as a top 4 D."

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Yes, he does deserve more credit.

I don't even remember the last time there was a d-man like Dion who was consistently good yet everyone, including the team's own fans, crapped on him and never gave any credit to him.

He gets bashed so much and I don't know why. Hell, just ask what people on the main board think of Dion...the idiots over there think Dion is a bottom pairing d-man.

I've even seen people like ULF and Mess suggest he's a 2nd pairing guy.



He's been great for us this year and he's been doing it all with garbage partners.

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03-30-2013, 11:39 AM
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Phaneuf has been good this year. Imagine how much better he would be if he had a good partner. I imagine it would be as good as shea weber/ryan sutter pairing

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but but but this board is saying he's nothing but a pylon and a terrible captain...they must be right no??? happy for Dion never bashed this guy since he's here..

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Well to be fair a Sports Illustrated poll rated Phaneuf the most overrated, and that was one conducted with only NHL players (and among his peers) opinions.

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Dion Phaneuf voted most overrated NHLer in SI poll


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...article620658/
To be fair?? To be fair?!?!? Ill take teammates opinions over cowardly "overrated" polls done anonymously by S friggin I.

I'd say I'm disappointed that a Leaf fan would post something like that in this thread but I'm considering the source.

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To be fair?? To be fair?!?!? Ill take teammates opinions over cowardly "overrated" polls done anonymously by S friggin I.

I'd say I'm disappointed that a Leaf fan would post something like that in this thread but I'm considering the source.
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Well to be fair a Sports Illustrated poll rated Phaneuf the most overrated, and that was one conducted with only NHL players (and among his peers) opinions.

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Dion Phaneuf voted most overrated NHLer in SI poll


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...article620658/
Par for the course.

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To be fair?? To be fair?!?!? Ill take teammates opinions over cowardly "overrated" polls done anonymously by S friggin I.

I'd say I'm disappointed that a Leaf fan would post something like that in this thread but I'm considering the source.
Says a lot about the poll when a 2-time Hart, 2-time Rocket, 3-time Pearson and 1-time Art Ross winner is second.

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I cant rightfully attribute our success this season to any one player. It's been a total team effort thus far, and i dont expect that to change. If the Leafs do end up having playoff success, it will be on the backs of every player, not just Dion or Kessel or Kadri.

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Dion has been an absolute rock for us and has been carrying the team. He always get the tough side. However he's really brough his game back under Carlyle. If we get him a good partner, I think he'll get even better.

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Yaaa ya ya and in the SI vote for most overrated player the year before was Beauch and Komi, before that Kubina, before that Kaberle and remember when McCabe was before that? How do people not see through these "votes" lol ... Common now .... Its amazing how much hate the leafs get lmao

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Leaf posters were accusing fellow Leafs of overrating Phaneuf and I simply posted that the source is actually coming from his own peers. Its impartial in that it removes bias when it comes to own fans praising or rating their own players at times.

Phaneuf has played well of late and scored some key goals, but that is what you would expect from your captain and one of your team leaders. So Phaneuf is doing what he is expected to do and for that he deserves credit for that, he like many other players is performing admirable at the moment. Goals against Florida and Carolina in must win games for the Leafs was great to see.

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Im sure Gardiner and Reilly will make the list too when their full time top 4 leafs ...

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Yaaa ya ya and in the SI vote for most overrated player the year before was Beauch and Komi, before that Kubina, before that Kaberle and remember when McCabe was before that? How do people not see through these "votes" lol ... Common now .... Its amazing how much hate the leafs get lmao
I love the hate. We have more fans across the country than many teams have fans in their own region.

If people hate the Leafs when they were irrelevant on the ice and lived in the basement of the East...it would be amazing to see the hate now that they are an up and coming team.

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Leaf posters were accusing fellow Leafs of overrating Phaneuf and I simply posted that the source is actually coming from his own peers. Its impartial in that it removes bias when it comes to own fans praising or rating their own players at times.

Phaneuf has played well of late and scored some key goals, but that is what you would expect from your captain and one of your team leaders. So Phaneuf is doing what he is expected to do and for that he deserves credit for that, he like many other players is performing admirable at the moment. Goals against Florida and Carolina in must win games for the Leafs was great to see.
...Beause Sports Illustrated is a very illustrious hockey news magazine that all the hockey nerds can rely upon? I don't buy nor do I care about it. Don't even see what the hell was that about. You wanna talk about over-rated players? Talk about a scott gomez, talk about a wade redden, you don't have to listen to 20 players out of what? 300 players in the NHL to know who's who.

It's not even as of late it's been visible when we also face players from a talented team or cup contenders. He's been getting it down, it also helps when others can step in and lift a little bit of that burden off his shoulders. Guys like Kessel, Kadri, Lupul, and Franson some that are helping him out. As well being in a defensive system where everyone knows their roles. However I'm surprised you are praising him Mess, as he's a -4.


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pretty generic things to say, like wut r they suppose to say

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It really is annoying to see the amount of ignorant Leafs fans and other team fans who think that Phaneuf sucks. He is the best Leafs defender by a ****ing mile. We are simply not a playoff team without him in the lineup. Anyone who believes otherwise is a ****ing idiot.

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I love the hate. We have more fans across the country than many teams have fans in their own region.

If people hate the Leafs when they were irrelevant on the ice and lived in the basement of the East...it would be amazing to see the hate now that they are an up and coming team.
I think its about context of player value rather than team overall performance.

For example Dion Phaneuf is paid $6.5 mil while Zdeno Chara is paid $6 mil. Both among the highest paid in the game at their positions.

We all know how valuable Chara is the Bruins, so is Phaneuf worth as much to the Leafs & their success at more $ than Big Z is the Bruins in comparison?

So comparatively speaking one can access a players value to his team accordingly.

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I think its about context of player value rather than team overall performance.

For example Dion Phaneuf is paid $6.5 mil while Zdeno Chara is paid $6 mil. Both among the highest paid in the game at their positions.

We all know how valuable Chara is the Bruins, so is Phaneuf worth as much to the Leafs & their success at more $ than Big Z is the Bruins in comparison?

So comparatively speaking one can access a players value to his team accordingly.
Leafs didn't sign that contract so it's entirely irrelevant. Phaneuf likely resigns for somewhere around $5.25-6 million, which is exactly what he is worth. I dont even mind paying him what he gets right now, as it hasn't been a hindrance to our cap in the slightest.

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I think its about context of player value rather than team overall performance.

For example Dion Phaneuf is paid $6.5 mil while Zdeno Chara is paid $6 mil. Both among the highest paid in the game at their positions.

We all know how valuable Chara is the Bruins, so is Phaneuf worth as much to the Leafs & their success at more $ than Big Z is the Bruins in comparison?

So comparatively speaking one can access a players value to his team accordingly.
Ya and I'd say about one NHL player out of five could understand that first sentence.

That poll was about one thing and one thing only, to try and embarrass players. Any NHLer with a shred of personal integrity would have told that pollster where to go. I'm still a little incredulous you would use that poll of all things as a counter point.

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pretty generic things to say, like wut r they suppose to say
Bingo.....Ive never ever ever heard a team mate bash his captain or any other member of his own team in the media. Ever. Its so dumb to think otherwise. Its called career suicide. You hear the generic, canned, cliche answers that have come to be expected when an opinion of a jock is called upon. Having said that Phaneuf has had a decent year this season but he hasn't been great since arriving. He has played horrible at times without a doubt. He seems more focussed and determined this year...I agree with those that think it is the Carlyle influence, being a former Norris trophy himself, he probably has helped Dion with his confidence.

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It's too bad Phaneuf doesnt get more praise as an individual cause he deserves it. The article that this thread centres around proves it, although I'm sure he doesnt mind and would prefer team success more.

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I think its about context of player value rather than team overall performance.

For example Dion Phaneuf is paid $6.5 mil while Zdeno Chara is paid $6 mil. Both among the highest paid in the game at their positions.

We all know how valuable Chara is the Bruins, so is Phaneuf worth as much to the Leafs & their success at more $ than Big Z is the Bruins in comparison?

So comparatively speaking one can access a players value to his team accordingly.
I would say they are right in the same ballpark. Phaneuf is as valuable to Leafs as any other top Dman, possibly moreso considering the lack of dependable options beneath him on the depth chart.

Phaneuf is not overpaid when you consider what guys are getting on the open market these days (Carle 5.5M, Widemen 5.25M, these are 1B dmen at best).

If what a poster says is true, and that Leaf dmen have "won" this poll several times, it's pretty obvious the poll is based more on national exposure than anything else.

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