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Phaneuf vs. Kronwall

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Phaneuf 56 51.85%
Kronwall 50 46.30%
Equal 2 1.85%
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03-30-2013, 11:54 AM
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Phaneuf vs. Kronwall

Who's better?

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03-30-2013, 12:01 PM
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Kronwall, no doubt.

Better hitter, better defensively. Better offensively but not by much.

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03-30-2013, 12:04 PM
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Phaneuf, but I fully expect Kronwall to run away with this because it's a Red Wing vs Leaf poll.

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Phaneuf, but I fully expect Kronwall to run away with this because it's a Red Wing vs Leaf poll.
Or... you know, because Kronwall is better offensively, while also being faaar better defensively as well.

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Phaneuf, but I fully expect Kronwall to run away with this because it's a Red Wing vs Leaf poll.
The persecuted majority.

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03-30-2013, 12:24 PM
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Kronwall is better defensively no doubt, but I fail to see how he's better offensively.

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03-30-2013, 12:45 PM
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Kronwall, no doubt.

Better hitter, better defensively. Better offensively but not by much.
1. Dion Phaneuf has registered almost 4x as many hits as Nicklas Kronwall this season (97 vs 25)

2. Only one time over their entire careers has Kronwall surpassed Phaneuf in points (full seasons). This was the 08-09 season where Kronwall registed 51pts while Phaneuf put up 47pts. This was also the same season that Kronwall was a sheltered defenseman behind both Nicklas Lidstrom and Brian Rafalski in TOI/G (22:53) while Phaneuf was top 5 in TOI/G with 26:31.

Furthermore, Phaneuf leads the #5 PK in SHTOI/G while Kronwall is 3rd in SHTOI/G on the #23 PK. In the same ilk, Phaneuf leads the #14 PP in PPTOI/G while Kronwall tops the #21 PP in PPTOI/G.

--> Not only does Phaneuf log more SHTOI/G than Kronwall and only 12 seconds less PPTOI/G but he plays a whopping ~1:40 more ES minutes than Kronwall per game.

Phaneuf is the captain and most important player on the Toronto Maple Leafs. He's also 5 years younger than Kronwall and has a much higher pedigree (much higher career highs, Norris nomination).

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03-30-2013, 12:52 PM
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Kronwall, no doubt.

Better hitter, better defensively. Better offensively but not by much.
Didn't expect anything different from you .

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03-30-2013, 12:53 PM
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Or... you know, because Kronwall is better offensively, while also being faaar better defensively as well.
I would love to see you prove that.

Dion Phaneuf matches up against some of the toughest competition seen by any defenseman leaguewide and generally does a pretty great job getting in their faces and containing them. It should also be noted that throughout the vast majority of this season he has managed to do so paired with one of two rookie defenseman (Mike Kostka or Korbinian Holzer).

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03-30-2013, 12:58 PM
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Phaneuf's a bit slower, but he plays more minutes.

Neither is unbeatable, defensively.

Neither is an offensive juggernaut.

Both are the most-important d-men on their team.

Both are #2's who are lacking a true #1.

Pretty good comparison, actually.

I'd go with Kronwall, but it's close. He's a bit faster, leading to a bit more dynamic play that justifies his salary a fairly small amount more than Phaneuf justifies his.

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03-30-2013, 01:21 PM
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I'd go with Phaneuf. But close

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Phaneuf is better but by the end of this poll I don't really expect him to win. Only poll Phaneuf ever wins here is "Who is the most overrated D?"

We here in Toronto totally think he's Bobby Orr. Maybe even better

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Didn't expect anything different from you .
An opinion in an opinion poll?

Its not like im saying "AINEC".

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I'd take Phaneuf because he is so valuable to our team. He Avg over 25 minute per game which I think is top ten in this league? There is no defenseman in the leafs organization who can eat up that much minute and be good at the same time.

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Phaneuf by far.

Offense:

Phaneuf>>Kronwall

Defense:

Phaneuf=Kronwall

Hitting:

Phaneuf>>>>>>Kronwall

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Phaneuf, Ill add in AINEC if we include age

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Phaneuf by far.

Offense:

Phaneuf>>Kronwall

Defense:

Phaneuf=Kronwall

Hitting:

Phaneuf>>>>>>Kronwall
Kronwall's a great hitter.

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Phaneuf by far.

Offense:

Phaneuf>>Kronwall

Defense:

Phaneuf=Kronwall

Hitting:

Phaneuf>>>>>>Kronwall
Duffman955 has never seen Kronwall play.

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An opinion in an opinion poll?

Its not like im saying "AINEC".
You said "no doubt". Same ****. No one was expecting anything less from you.

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Phaneuf. Kronwall makes flashy hits.. and that's it.

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03-30-2013, 03:14 PM
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Its Phaneuf as of late, now that he has a good team around him I think a lot of these "defensively unreliable" comments will slowly fade. Hes not a weber or a chara but still very good.

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Kronwall's a great hitter.
When he chooses to hit, which isn't very often.

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You said "no doubt". Same ****. No one was expecting anything less from you.
I dont consider those the same at all. I actually think its really close.

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When he chooses to hit, which isn't very often.
Some would argue that that's more prudent /shrug

I personally prefer Phaneuf, but it is close. Phaneuf is just having a great year, on pace for 16 goals and 50 points, doing it all on a much-improved Leafs team, playing more than 2 minutes more than Kronwall a game against slightly tougher competition.

I think this one is close enough where you're going to be looking at personal preference more than stats, because they're pretty similar guys. I just like Phaneuf's game more, but I understand how you can pick Kronwall.

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Equal in my mind. I love both players, the Leafs are my favourite team while Detroit is my second favourite, and I really feel that they're similar players in style and ability.

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