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03-30-2013, 03:20 PM
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I think I speak for most Habs fans when I say.... WTF?
Yeah it would be a pretty awesome team wouldn't it ? Nobody would screw around with us . Thanks for the support.

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Yeah those proposals make mtl fans looks pretty bad.

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Subban to Boston for 10 first round picks!
Done but they all must be 2013 1st round picks.

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Yeah those proposals make mtl fans looks pretty bad.
Do you mean my proposals sir? Which do you do not like?

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Won't take more then 2 and even then after Markovs contract he's a 4-5th dmen an pp specialist
Beaulieu is better with NHL players.
you underrestimate him way to much
if you think that he's only going to be
a 4th-5th D-man. With his size speed
Grit and offensive abilities he will
be more effective then you think
bringing an element that Habs dint have which is grit. yes Emelin and Subban
can hit but Beaulieu is a fighter.
that will be ready to fight for his
teamates. He also will bring puck moving
ability just like Subban but maybe
not as good.

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03-30-2013, 04:31 PM
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Emelin plus Leblanc for Smid ( resign 5yrs 20million )
Bourque and a Montreal 2nd for Clarkson ( resign for 4yrs 19 million )
Desharnais and Weber for Clowe ( resign 4yrs 18 million )
Ryder for Stoner
Bournival for Bordeleau
White and Patyrn for boll


Clarkson - Plekanac - Gionta
Patches - Eller - Gallagher
Clowe - Galchenyuk - Prust
Moen - Halpern - Boll
Bordeleau

Markov - Smid
Subban - Georges
Diaz - Stoner
Tinordi - Boullion

Price - Budaj

I would prefer to pick up Smid, Clowe and Clarkson in free agency but we can afford this makeover.
I'm at a loss for words. What the flying **** did I just read? You realize the Habs will have to sign Subban next summer, right?

Are we 15th in the East again that we're suddenly blowing it up? A guy like Jagr is someone I want the Habs to go after. Maybe Streit if the Islanders are willing to move him. Otherwise, I think the team is fine. I don't really care for Clowe based on his play this year, but there's a part of me that thinks he may turn it around on a new team, so who knows? if the price is right, why not?

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03-30-2013, 04:55 PM
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Beaulieu is better with NHL players.
you underrestimate him way to much
if you think that he's only going to be
a 4th-5th D-man. With his size speed
Grit and offensive abilities he will
be more effective then you think
bringing an element that Habs dint have which is grit. yes Emelin and Subban
can hit but Beaulieu is a fighter.
that will be ready to fight for his
teamates. He also will bring puck moving
ability just like Subban but maybe
not as good.
Watcha talkin bout Willis?

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03-30-2013, 05:01 PM
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I think I lost a few brain cells reading some posts.

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03-30-2013, 05:08 PM
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Emelin plus Leblanc for Smid ( resign 5yrs 20million )
Bourque and a Montreal 2nd for Clarkson ( resign for 4yrs 19 million )
Desharnais and Weber for Clowe ( resign 4yrs 18 million )
Ryder for Stoner
Bournival for Bordeleau
White and Patyrn for boll


Clarkson - Plekanac - Gionta
Patches - Eller - Gallagher
Clowe - Galchenyuk - Prust
Moen - Halpern - Boll
Bordeleau

Markov - Smid
Subban - Georges
Diaz - Stoner
Tinordi - Boullion

Price - Budaj

I would prefer to pick up Smid, Clowe and Clarkson in free agency but we can afford this makeover.
This is just painful.

1--You do NOT trade away Emelin and Leblanc for a rental. There is no guarantee he signs with us. Complete asset mismanagement.

2--Bourque is still concussed and our 2nd along with him will NOT get Clarkson. Even if Bourque were healthy, based on what he did last year I do not think we would be able to pry Clarkson out of NJ for that price.

3--I want Clowe more than most Habs fans. NOT at the cost of DD. You do not send a 40-60 point center and a d-prospect to a team for a rental. Heck, we can probably get Clowe for Kristo and a 2nd. Again, there is no guarantee we can resign him, and we should absolutely not be giving away signed core pieces for rentals!

4--Ryder is doing well for us, and we could probably get Stoner for Weber and a 2nd.

5--Bournival for Bourdeleau. Not sure why either team does it.

6--White and Pateryn are probably not enough to get Boll.

Dude, I can sort of get what you want with all of this, but we are dealing with reality, not fantasy. First, you do not give up signed core assets (DD, Emelin, Bourque) for RENTALS who might not resign. It is a complete mismanagement of assets. Second, your deals are either horrible for us, or for the team you are trying to fleece. Finally, as close as we are to the payoffs, and as well as we have been playing, you do NOT tear apart a team that is having the success of ours and hope that 6 new players are just going to suddenly mesh well with their new mates and be ready for the playoffs. You also will have destroyed all of the chemistry on this team.

Nothing like this would, or could, or SHOULD, be done.

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03-30-2013, 05:16 PM
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I like the main OP, but I'm out of words when I see a proposition like glenbuis did

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03-30-2013, 05:42 PM
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Just trying to have a bit of fun there guys. Forgot i'm in reality and not fantasy. Would like the team to get tougher and 5 of the 6 guys I mentioned are still 26-27. We would be losing Ryder ( who we may lose anyway), Bourque who really isn't very gritty, Desharnais (5-7), Emelin who is upgraded to Smid, White and a few prospects who may not ever make any meaningful contributions to the habs. Never touched or gave away any high picks and no-one could deny we wouldn't be grittier. I'd just like to have a kick-a__ team rather than one that gets pushed around a lot. In every aquisition of an upcoming ufa the idea was to have them signed, I realize there's no gaurantees there.

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Beaulieu is better with NHL players.
you underrestimate him way to much
if you think that he's only going to be
a 4th-5th D-man. With his size speed
Grit and offensive abilities he will
be more effective then you think
bringing an element that Habs dint have which is grit. yes Emelin and Subban
can hit but Beaulieu is a fighter.
that will be ready to fight for his
teamates. He also will bring puck moving
ability just like Subban but maybe
not as good.
lmao

I think you've mistaken Beaulieu for another player bro. And you don't have to hit the "enter" key after every 5 words. Makes me feel like I'm reading a poem.

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03-30-2013, 06:15 PM
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I would like to defend the transactions proposed. Smid is an upgrade on Emelin and is a crease clearing defenceman with size and grit. Leblanc is not a bust but I don't ever see him being a top 6 forward. Resign Smid as stated for 5yrs 20 million.

Bourque and a Montreal 2nd was hopeful I know, but I'd be hoping the sting of losing Parise for nothing, Clarkson's recent slump and Bourque being signed for a few years might get a bite. Resigning Clarkson at 4.75 would be 1.75 more than Bourque.

With Desharnais, recent posters have stated his valu is a late first or high second. SJ fans seemed to show a bit of interest and calls for Clowe seem to be at least a prospect and a second. Resigning Clowe for 4.5 would only be 1 more then were gonna pay Desharnais.

Ryder for Stoner would be picking up a desirable asset rather than losing one for nothing. Ryder's position is taken by Clarkson.

The other two deals are not that big, however having a local boy like Bordeleau becoming a fan favorite sounds ok does it not.

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03-31-2013, 01:04 PM
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I would like to defend the transactions proposed. Smid is an upgrade on Emelin and is a crease clearing defenceman with size and grit. Leblanc is not a bust but I don't ever see him being a top 6 forward. Resign Smid as stated for 5yrs 20 million.

Bourque and a Montreal 2nd was hopeful I know, but I'd be hoping the sting of losing Parise for nothing, Clarkson's recent slump and Bourque being signed for a few years might get a bite. Resigning Clarkson at 4.75 would be 1.75 more than Bourque.

With Desharnais, recent posters have stated his valu is a late first or high second. SJ fans seemed to show a bit of interest and calls for Clowe seem to be at least a prospect and a second. Resigning Clowe for 4.5 would only be 1 more then were gonna pay Desharnais.

Ryder for Stoner would be picking up a desirable asset rather than losing one for nothing. Ryder's position is taken by Clarkson.

The other two deals are not that big, however having a local boy like Bordeleau becoming a fan favorite sounds ok does it not.
You're proposal is not bad, it's creative. Nevertheless it's not realistic, but then again I don't know many posts that are.

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I think teams are really going to up the price for jagr. You could see potentially , Detroit, Chicago, kings, vancouver, montreal, boston go after him.

Asking price for jagr is your top forward prospect and 1st round pick at the least.

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Habs could profit from having him back for the playoffs.

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I would like to defend the transactions proposed. Smid is an upgrade on Emelin and is a crease clearing defenceman with size and grit. Leblanc is not a bust but I don't ever see him being a top 6 forward. Resign Smid as stated for 5yrs 20 million.

Bourque and a Montreal 2nd was hopeful I know, but I'd be hoping the sting of losing Parise for nothing, Clarkson's recent slump and Bourque being signed for a few years might get a bite. Resigning Clarkson at 4.75 would be 1.75 more than Bourque.

With Desharnais, recent posters have stated his valu is a late first or high second. SJ fans seemed to show a bit of interest and calls for Clowe seem to be at least a prospect and a second. Resigning Clowe for 4.5 would only be 1 more then were gonna pay Desharnais.

Ryder for Stoner would be picking up a desirable asset rather than losing one for nothing. Ryder's position is taken by Clarkson.

The other two deals are not that big, however having a local boy like Bordeleau becoming a fan favorite sounds ok does it not.
Smid would be fantastic to add but the question is how much MORE does he add over a guy like Emelin and is it enough to add in a former first rounder. And that's before talking about their contract status. Trading for Smid would be good, but not at the cost of a player who we need to clone rather than replace.

Moving Bourque for Clarkson like you said is hopeful so not much to say about that. Getting Clowe is a gamble because he hasn't done as well as he should have this year. He could return to his former self on a new team but it's 50/50 at this point. Beyond that, you don't trade away your second line center who just re-signed and is much younger for a rental.

Ryder for Stoner is just plain nut. Sorry but you want to trade your top goal scorer for a stay at home dman? White and Peteryn for Boll won't happen either.

Regardless of all of that, you don't trade 5 or 6 roster players from a team fighting for 1st in the conference. Just doesn't happen.

As to the initial post, habs are in an interesting situation though for us not that great of a situation in some respects. Up front it's going to boil down to how health Bourque is. If they feel he will be back in a couple of weeks max then they won't look to replace him but if not then they will. There's also Prust who is a 3rd/4th line player. I think they want him to be on the 4th but ok with him on the 3rd.

Then you have to look at Galchenyuk. He's played well, and he's not playing poorly, but as the games have gotten tighter he simply hasn't been producing as much as he was before. Do they feel comfortable having him on the 3rd line or do they want to go with a more proven presence and one who's a natural winger.

Then on d regardless of Diaz health, they are going to look for a 4th/5th dman who can clear the net, play the pk, and is somewhat competent on the pp. I know those don't grow on trees but I think that's what they'd be looking for.

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2nd Round Pick

Habs could profit from having him back for the playoffs.
maybe but certainly not for a second. no way.

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Personally, what I'd be looking into trades for us would be leading towards Clowe. I would want him with the Habs. Though, I would tend to pass if the price is much too high. Desharnais for Clowe ? How does that even help us ? Eller with Pacioretty and Gallagher just repulses me... but I'd say that's maybe only me...

Other than that, what I'd really want on the Habs is just no rental. I would want a Winger that can score, but not only for the coming playoffs.

But in reality, that just wouldn't happen. This supposedly elite player is just not on the market right now and if he were, the price to pay would be much more than what we'd want to lose for him.

I don't even expect Bergevin to move any player this season... Look at the lineup when everyone is healthy.

Ryder - Plekanec - Gionta
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Gallagher
Bourque - Eller - Galchenyuk
Moen - Halpern - Prust
White/Dumont/Armstrong

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Bouillon - Diaz
Tinordi/Beaulieu

We have 3 dangerous lines and 1 physical line, which makes the team balanced instead of 1 elite line and 3 average ones. It might not be the best team on paper out there, but if you look at it this way, while 1 or 2 lines are contained by the opposite team, there is always 1 free. It's pretty simple and you can see it every game... since the scoring players always differ.

Once Bourque is back, I have a feeling it will get even more clear that the team has a great core and that trading is not necessary.

Then why Clowe ? Because if it is confirmed Bourque will not be back this season, I'd be going after that guy firsthand. If Bourque can be back before the playoffs, I don't really think we need Ryan Clowe.

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Watcha talkin bout Willis?
he's a fighter go on youtube write beaulieu vs.
ad it will bring up tons of videos of him fighting.
he has alot of character.

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As a Habs' fan, I wouldn't do the first trade and there is no way that the Wild does the second one.

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Habs could profit from having him back for the playoffs.
If Gill had an expiring contract they probably could have done worse than to trade for him, but as it is he's signed thru next season so no thanks. Also i would not have given up a 2nd for him.

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Proposal:
Trade Number 1:


Leblanc
2nd round pick(Cgy)
5th round pick
Armstrong


Jagr
Nystrom

Trade Number 2:


Weber
3rd round pick


Stoner
The Jagr trade seems like overpayment. Nystrom seems a bit redundant, i'm not sure he'd be an upgrade on Moen on the 4th line. I'd focus on Jagr alone (if we can't get Clowe). I would think that a 2nd round pick and a B/C prospect would get it done. I'd consider Leblanc to be more valuable than that "B/C prospect", despite his poor season.

I'd do the 2nd trade, but i don't see Minnesota's motivation.

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Beaulieu is better with NHL players.
you underrestimate him way to much
if you think that he's only going to be
a 4th-5th D-man. With his size speed
Grit and offensive abilities he will
be more effective then you think
bringing an element that Habs dint have which is grit. yes Emelin and Subban
can hit but Beaulieu is a fighter.
that will be ready to fight for his
teamates. He also will bring puck moving
ability just like Subban but maybe
not as good.
Yeah I meant in 2 years he will be a 4th dman he is definitely gonna be more

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-Beaulieu
-Leblanc
-2nd rounder (calgary)


-Couturier
-Zolnierczyk

Paches - DD - Gally
Ryder - Pleky - Gionta
Cooter - Eller - Chucky
Prust - Halpern - Moen/Armstrong

in the future you can allow yourself to trade DD or Pleky or whoever
can give you the most value in return. this will redress the teams center line.
Chucky 1st, Cooter 2nd and Eller 3rd. with Pleky and DD we can for sure get
a good winger with size in return. mean while you keep Cooter on the 3rd.
a line with everything on it. speed, size, talent and an awesome 2way game.

flyers would get a big 6'2'' 200lbs Letang ''style'' defensmen prospect that will
be likely to play next year or the year after that. with a high 2nd rounder and a
quality 3rd line center who can replace cooter for 2 -3 years until Laughton comes up
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