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2013 Leafs Trades/Proposals/Signings XIII - Post deadline

View Poll Results: Who is most likely gone by the deadline?
MacArthur 47 39.50%
Gardiner 4 3.36%
Bozak 16 13.45%
Grabovski 18 15.13%
Kessel 5 4.20%
Kulemin 2 1.68%
Gunnarsson 7 5.88%
Liles 20 16.81%
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04-07-2013, 07:50 AM
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Avs just flat out can't afford to move Johnson. There's such little talent on the blueline right now that Varlamov has to stand on his head to keep the Avs losses from being major blowouts. Hejda is decent but at his age he won't be with the Avs much longer anyway, and Barrie has played well this season but still needs seasoning before he can be relied on for major minutes, much like Kadri earlier this season.

Now, if Siemens and Elliott make the jump in the next few years and play well, maybe the Avs could move Johnson. But right now there's just no one to take his place minutes wise. I know the Avs are rebuilding but defense is their biggest need. Plus, Johnson's not old enough to be cast out for a rebuild either.

Personally, I don't get why we need a RH shot next to Phaneuf. He seems best playing on his off side, so if we got a RH shot to play with him, that player would have to be playing his off side as well. The chances of us getting a top pairing quality RH shot d-man that is comfortable on his off side are fairly slim I'd say. Opportunities and chances to find Phanuef a suitable partner open up considerably if we consider LH shot d-men as well.



There's that aspect of it too, the value doesn't quite add up in addition to it not meeting Colorado's needs (well, it meets their needs but takes away a player in a position of need too aka Johnson).
Ya that package would need to be more along the lines of Gunnar/Frans/Frat,------ColbBlack/Holz,------Gards,-----1rst

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04-08-2013, 04:00 AM
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Top priority - star center.

We have the likes of Broll,Biggs and Devane coming up,so I dont see the need for a power forward.We have Reilly coming up too,so defense isn't our top need.Reimer is looking solid,but a vet backup wouldn't hurt.But at center,we need a star player.With all respect to Kadri,he is young.

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Need?

The Leafs need a C that has the ability to generate offense with Kessel and JVR.

How many primary assists does boz have on the lines 30 g pace JVR? 1, none?

I can't recall in my 40 years, seeing a 30g winger receive so few primary's from his C half way into a season.

Kessel on pace for 20 g, is unacceptable, he is a 40g talent.
He may one day hit 40 goals, but he hasn't yet.

Maybe they should look at getting another winger, and move Kessel the assist man to center?

Kadri is the Leafs big centerman from a draft.

Maybe Kadri will eventually take over the top line, he's getting more focus right now, getting banged around and has just points in 1 of his last 5 games, so who knows if he is ready.

Perhaps Bozak should be on the 3rd. line replacing Grabovski? You can only use what you have.

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04-08-2013, 06:52 AM
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We have the likes of Broll,Biggs and Devane coming up,so I dont see the need for a power forward.We have Reilly coming up too,so defense isn't our top need.Reimer is looking solid,but a vet backup wouldn't hurt.But at center,we need a star player.With all respect to Kadri,he is young.
Be nice to have a Shannahan type of PF, not a 3rd. line type of PF.

With regards to Kadri being young? It's still a rebuilding team, you want your key players to be young. Sure he isn't RNH young, but he's still young.

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He may one day hit 40 goals, but he hasn't yet.

Maybe they should look at getting another winger, and move Kessel the assist man to center?

Kadri is the Leafs big centerman from a draft.

Maybe Kadri will eventually take over the top line, he's getting more focus right now, getting banged around and has just points in 1 of his last 5 games, so who knows if he is ready.

Perhaps Bozak should be on the 3rd. line replacing Grabovski? You can only use what you have.
LOL, don't think that Kessel at C has not crossed my mind lately.

Kadri, ready? well thats a realitive term and comes down to symantics,no?

Ready to be what? is my question.

1rst line C on a PO contender?

" " cup contender?

" " you build a line around?

Boz? for me, 4th line C for 4th line $, 1.5m/2.0m per or gone. McLem can 3rd line just fine IMO.


Grabo, ooofffaaa, thats a tricky one.

I think it all comes down to what DN/RC do about Kessels long term C.

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Kessel + 1st 2013 (~20ish area)

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top 3 pick +

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Kessel + 1st 2013 (~20ish area)

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top 3 pick +
Never would happen with Kessel only having 1 year left on his deal.

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Kessel needs to be resigned guys. He is integral to our overall offense.

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Kessel needs to be resigned guys. He is integral to our overall offense.
This, as soft as Kessel may play at times, his defence has improved, always puts up points, and would be hard to replace his offensive skill.

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Kessel needs to be resigned guys. He is integral to our overall offense.
We lose Kessel and we go back to being a one trick pony in terms of offensive threats. A huge part of why Kadri is successful is because Kessel's line faces the opponents top d pair.


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berglund or coutourier?

Which one should we go after? What would it take to get either of them? Can anyone tell me about Berglund?

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We lose Kessel and we go back to being a one trick pony in terms of offensive threats. A huge part of why Kadri is successful is because Kessel's line faces the opponents top d pair.
That doesn't fit their agenda though. Kessel faces the toughest competition and has JvR (who is hot and cold) and Bozak as his center.

I hope Nonis can get him locked up as soon as he can so we don't have to go into the season with trade rumours surrounding Kessel..

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And staying on the Kessel discussion, many of you don't realize his knack for finding players in great scoring position. He is our best playmaker as well, despite Kadri being really good as well. The skill that Kessel and Kadri both possess can not be taught.

Yes, he's small and won't forecheck like Kulemin but he's his scoring dimension is what he really excels at and the Leafs have adjusted to that and are playing very well around him. Losing him will be taking a big puzzle out of the main thing which is extremely counter productive, especially because he's only in his mid-20's.

This guy needs to be re-signed and I trust Nonis knows the importance of doing this. I think he's better than Semin overall, and while Semin signed a $7 million a year extension, I'd gladly give that to Kessel.

A scoring C on Kessel's line will make our lineup deadly.

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Not like Kessel hasnt been producing either, if he isn't scoring, he's definitely making plays.

he's a huge part of our 1-2 punch offense, it's him then Kadri+Lupul, then everyone else is secondary IMO(hot and cold).

Just upgrade that damn centre position, with either a playmaker or goalscorer and that line will become much more of a threat.

I honestly don't see bozak half the time and he usually makes very simple plays or scores the odd goal, ALOT of people would be better at the C slot than him.

IMO we go for stastny and a top 4 d-man if possible.

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What about a Grabbo + Gardiner for Yandle and the Coyotes 1st round pick.

Bozak is resigned and you run Bozak, Kadri, McClement as the top 3 centres. There are tons of 4th line centre guys out there.

I would rather have Bozak at 5.5 than Grabbo at 5.5.

I see Grabbo being moved this off season


Maybe Grabbo for Bobby Ryan

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What about a Grabbo + Gardiner for Yandle and the Coyotes 1st round pick.

Bozak is resigned and you run Bozak, Kadri, McClement as the top 3 centres. There are tons of 4th line centre guys out there.

I would rather have Bozak at 5.5 than Grabbo at 5.5.

I see Grabbo being moved this off season


Maybe Grabbo for Bobby Ryan
I don't want either at 5.5m and the fact that we can have it that way, should be the way.

Grabo won't be moved till Bozaks contract demands come way way down.

Right now Grabos market value is almost at the contract dump level.

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MaClean is saying how Grabovski maybe a commodity this summer just cause of the lack of centres in the market of free agency.


I Would love to see Weiss here though

Bozak
Weiss
Kadri
McClement

has our 4 centers is pretty good, good depth and all have separate roles they're great at.

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JVR Weiss Kessel
Lupul Kadri Kulemin
Frattin Bozak ----
Orr McClement Komarov/McLaren

yeah it looks alright
if weiss stuggles he can flip with bozak

need a big body #2 calibre RW

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MaClean is saying how Grabovski maybe a commodity this summer just cause of the lack of centres in the market of free agency.


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I suggested in the Grabo thread if the Leafs retained around 25% of his salary I think they could get a pretty good return.

With retaining salary though was thinking they should target a 1st or prospect to balance it out.

Cls, Wsh, Wpg were the three teams I was thinking might be interested

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If Wisniewski didn't have so many problems with injuries, him for Grabo could have been a good lateral move. Same age, same caphit, and same # of years remaining on contract, but Wisniewski would give us the much needed RH top 4 Defenceman. Though he's probably not as good defensively as we would like.

Ah well, he's never played 82 games. he's never even played 70 games. So it'd be too risky.

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also in my mind.. to the guy for the yandle no chance phoenix does that. in my opinion it has to be something like

GRabovski + Gardiner + A pick for Yandle

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also in my mind.. to the guy for the yandle no chance phoenix does that. in my opinion it has to be something like

GRabovski + Gardiner + A pick for Yandle
Yandle is not good defensively.

Overpayment.

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Yandle is not good defensively.

Overpayment.
and he's older

its great this team is making the playoffs this year but they are not in a position to be trading away young players like Gardiner for players of Yandle's age

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and he's older

its great this team is making the playoffs this year but they are not in a position to be trading away young players like Gardiner for players of Yandle's age
Well he's 27-28 years old. Not that old, but I'd rather go for someone like EJ if the Avs do a scorched earth rebuild.

The Avs are still a team that is a while away from competing, they could use young assets to go with Duchene, Landeskog, ROR. They will probably get Seth Jones.

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Well he's 27-28 years old. Not that old, but I'd rather go for someone like EJ if the Avs do a scorched earth rebuild.

The Avs are still a team that is a while away from competing, they could use young assets to go with Duchene, Landeskog, ROR. They will probably get Seth Jones.
thought he was over 30

still wouldn't move Gardiner for him but definitely makes a difference

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