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04-11-2013, 06:36 PM
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You really think the NHL is going to let NCAA prospects continually exploit perceived loopholes in the draft system? If it continues to happen on a regular basis I bet we'll see the NHL come down on the NCAA hard.
NCAA don't give a flying tiger about the NHL.

NCAA is above everyone, including the law and decency.

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The KHL can pay players millions. We have ELC's and all the rest.

There is no comparison at all.
Could you imagine if Americans and Canadians could speak Russian?

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NCAA don't give a flying tiger about the NHL.

NCAA is above everyone, including the law and decency.
The NCAA is trying to re-configure itself as an American development system for hockey players.

A buddy of mine wasn't allowed to return this year to his NCAA team as a result of rule changes for Canadians, forbidding a large number of Canadians from joining the NCAA ranks.

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The NCAA is trying to re-configure itself as an American development system for hockey players.

A buddy of mine wasn't allowed to return this year to his NCAA team as a result of rule changes for Canadians, forbidding a large number of Canadians from joining the NCAA ranks.
Not to mention, despite the infractions happening in football (Miami, OSU, USC, and soon enough, Auburn), the NCAA doesn't like when ANYONE tries to make them look stupid. They're preparing the groundwork for a more thorough, more scrutinizing system of investigation and punishment.

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The OHL has developed more NHL players than any league in the World, not the CCHL, Biggs was much better served in Oshawa this year, infact he would have been better off going to Oshawa as most of the best NHL prospects do right after he was drafted.

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Yikes I didn't read the entire thing.

Gotta agree with Ernie, Ulfie, the challenge of KHL versus the challenge of NCAA aren't similar at all.
And I have to point out, whomever thinks the CCHL is a better developmental league than the OHL, might be too close to a pipe. You have Russians, Swedes, Czech's, and Finns, that want to come over here and play as imports, why, they know it is their best path to the NHL.

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And I have to point out, whomever thinks the CCHL is a better developmental league than the OHL, might be too close to a pipe. You have Russians, Swedes, Czech's, and Finns, that want to come over here and play as imports, why, they know it is their best path to the NHL.
Its not because the OHL is a tougher league to play in, its because the CHL is aimed at developing players, while the NCAA is aimed at.... well something.

1. NCAA has dumb rules.
2. Full time classes
3. Less games
4. potential to get redshirted or have little ice time

That being said, NCAA is a tougher league to play in than the CHL. Thats not a knock, but facts. Age group says it all: 16 - 21 vs 18/19 - 25??

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Its not because the OHL is a tougher league to play in, its because the CHL is aimed at developing players, while the NCAA is aimed at.... well something.

1. NCAA has dumb rules.
2. Full time classes
3. Less games
4. potential to get redshirted or have little ice time

That being said, NCAA is a tougher league to play in than the CHL. Thats not a knock, but facts. Age group says it all: 16 - 21 vs 18/19 - 25??
I am a big NCAA fan, and in my opinion, if you are an aspiring NHL prospect, there are probably only 8-10 schools that you should even contemplate attending, and it seems to work out that way. The majority of NHL draftees and players seem to attend or come out of those same 8-10 schools. If you aren't attending a big-time program, the CHL is without a doubt a better route to go than the NCAA.

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Who is calling who high?

CCHL? WTF is that?

Each player has individual circumstances that make one path or another better suited to develop what they're missing. Playing a lead role at Miami would've done wonders for Biggs, and the extra years under Enrico, polishing his offensive game and getting stronger in a first-class S&C program, could've made a huge difference for Tyler.

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Just a heads up, the London and Kitchener game is on Sportsnet One in a few minutes. Chance to watch Leivo and Rupert play.

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R Rupert with a PP goal. 3-0 Knights. Was the Knights 5th powerplay. Leivo had a nice chance, hasn't done much else but hard to blame him, his team has been shorthanded so much.

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Josh Leivo to Marlies! I'm salivating over a possible line of Biggs - Carrick - Leivo line. Size, skill, grit. Probably the most ideal 3rd line for the Marlies.

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Seems like Rupert is killing it in the playoffs.

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Not to mention, despite the infractions happening in football (Miami, OSU, USC, and soon enough, Auburn), the NCAA doesn't like when ANYONE tries to make them look stupid. They're preparing the groundwork for a more thorough, more scrutinizing system of investigation and punishment.
NCAA is a joke. Hand out scholarships worth $200k, but punish a kid making $100.00.

Pathetically self serving, double standards.

I hope they drown in their own urine.

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I am a big NCAA fan, and in my opinion, if you are an aspiring NHL prospect, there are probably only 8-10 schools that you should even contemplate attending, and it seems to work out that way. The majority of NHL draftees and players seem to attend or come out of those same 8-10 schools. If you aren't attending a big-time program, the CHL is without a doubt a better route to go than the NCAA.
Add on some CJHL teams already have 1st class practice facilities and coaching like Kitchener has, kids are being prepared better for the NHL now than they ever before. It's the best league to play in if you want to be a NHL'er.

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NCAA is a joke. Hand out scholarships worth $200k, but punish a kid making $100.00.

Pathetically self serving, double standards.

I hope they drown in their own urine.
Recent times I think a duck prospect just had one of the dumbest infractions. I really hope they fix it up because it's just beyond stupid.

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Add on some CJHL teams already have 1st class practice facilities and coaching like Kitchener has, kids are being prepared better for the NHL now than they ever before. It's the best league to play in if you want to be a NHL'er.
I'd like to see more involvement from Canadian NHL teams with the Canadian post secondary schools.

Give an option for graduated juniors to pursue and education while still playing hockey and still being considered a prospect.

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If any post says tht a CHL facility in any way rivals that of a major Division 1 program, it's not talking out of any knowlege what so ever, it's made up. Track teams, football teams, and hockey teams train here, requiring more advanced facilities than a junior hockey program does. It's silly to think otherwise.

Blanket statements about the CHL being the best path to the NHL for players, period, lacks individual consideration, and therefore is completely wrong.


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Josh Leivo to Marlies! I'm salivating over a possible line of Biggs - Carrick - Leivo line. Size, skill, grit. Probably the most ideal 3rd line for the Marlies.
I watched Leivo last night. Is it me or he's a bit slow?

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I watched Leivo last night. Is it me or he's a bit slow?
I don't think he's the fastest skater out there but it takes 2 strides for him to hit his top speed. Kid can move around the ice well and I think he'll only improve once he turns pro. That and we don't expect him to be flying shotgun with Philly Cakes anytime soon so I don't think it should be a worry. Leivo, Biggs, Broll, Devane, Ross, Carrick, D'Amigo have me truly salivating about the future bottom 6 on this team. We've got an amazing mix of skill, grit, speed and character. I really want to see this bottom 6 in the future (for the Marlies).

Leivo - Colborne - Biggs/ D'Amigo
Devane - Carrick - Ross

Both Biggs, Leivo play similar roles to Kulemin. Big bodies, dig out the puck, create space and lay the body on the forecheck. Komarov and Ross on the 4th line could make for one hell of a pest line with skill. D'Amigo i can see making it as a PK specialist/ 3rd line grit player. I think we're in a good spot as a franchise to have so many options on the bottom 2 lines. It's great timing as well since we have our top 6 solidified for the foreseeable future.

2 years down the road:

Kulemin - Kadri - Lupul
JVR - Grabo - Kessel
Biggs - Colborne - Leivo
Ross - McClement - Komarov/McLaren/ Devane

Phaneuf - Franson
Gardiner - Gunnarsson
Reilly - Holzer/ Blacker/ Percy

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If any post says tht a CHL facility in any way rivals that of a major Division 1 program, it's not talking out of any knowlege what so ever, it's made up. Track teams, football teams, and hockey teams train here, requiring more advanced facilities than a junior hockey program does. It's silly to think otherwise.

Blanket statements about the CHL being the best path to the NHL for players, period, lacks individual consideration, and therefore is completely wrong.
Hey Ernie I've got a question for you. You may or may not know the answer but I assume you are one of the few people here who may know it.

How much do CHL level GMs/Coaches make?

Someone was trying to tell me that Steve Spott makes 7 figures, which to me is absolutely preposterous.

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Hey Ernie I've got a question for you. You may or may not know the answer but I assume you are one of the few people here who may know it.

How much do CHL level GMs/Coaches make?

Someone was trying to tell me that Steve Spott makes 7 figures, which to me is absolutely preposterous.
Probably 70-80K

So maybe 7 digits including the cent figures lol

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I watched Leivo last night. Is it me or he's a bit slow?
I watched the game as well (1st time watching Leivo) and that was the first thing that struck me. I'm sure he will improve his skating over the years though.

2nd thing that stood out was his puck skills, he has some nice moves and can really handle the puck well.
He seems to have the tools to become something for us down the road.

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Hey Ernie I've got a question for you. You may or may not know the answer but I assume you are one of the few people here who may know it.

How much do CHL level GMs/Coaches make?

Someone was trying to tell me that Steve Spott makes 7 figures, which to me is absolutely preposterous.
The Hunter's own the London Knights and are also the GM + Head Coach. IF there is anyone who makes in the 7 figures (which I doubt) it would be them, but only because they own a team that just rakes in money.

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I'd like to see more involvement from Canadian NHL teams with the Canadian post secondary schools.

Give an option for graduated juniors to pursue and education while still playing hockey and still being considered a prospect.
This is interesting, Not sure it would work though. Kids that are 17, 18 will always lean towards the CJHL. It's the quickest and surest way to the NHL. Some of these arenas are damn nice too, they have first class training facilities, and coaching. If you are a young kid, it's an attractive package to be drafted.

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