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05-13-2013, 11:42 AM
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i like that granberg guy, watched a bit of the canada vs sweden game, he looked a little slow but it didnt make him a liability. I think we need to start piling up prospects at the C position, we have alot at D, but not so many at C.
agreed but it's always BPA, & if they happen to be a centre then...

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First period of Sweden-Denmark just started if anyone is interested in watching Granberg.(#8)

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Slim pickin's for Sweden this spring I guess?
Not really, he is actually captain of the WC.

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First period of Sweden-Denmark just started if anyone is interested in watching Granberg.(#8)
Crap I missed it. Any clips or replays?

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agreed but it's always BPA, & if they happen to be a centre then...
Agreed. If the BPA is a defensemen you take him, quality defensemen are in high demand. We need to wait for a few more defensemen to develop and draft more quality defensemen before we can start thinking about trading our D for centres. If we pick more solid D from the draft, we would have the capability for pulling off a big trade with trading partners that are strong on forward but weak on defense (Edmonton...cough). I would rather get a #1 C now, then wait for a young prospect or Kadri to grow into the top centre role.

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05-15-2013, 08:37 AM
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Havent been watching much of the WC but it looks like Granberg is getting top pairing time?

Bodes well for us! We need a guy like him badly.

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Tom Nilsson, D, RH shot. Sleeper solution for Dion??

Don't think he's quite NHL ready, but this guy looks exceptionally smart, and mobile.

He seems to be a cut between Gunnarsson and Gardiner. Slick skater, some offense is there, he's a RH shot(much needed for the Leafs). High Hockey IQ. Rarely caught out of position. Physical, has some shutdown abilities.

So:
Phaneuf/Nilsson?
Gardiner/Franson
Fraser/Gunarsson, as a shutdown pairing?



I could live with that. The only thing is, Nilsson is probably not NHL ready.

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I definitely think he has an NHL future however.

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Nilsson is a throwback, heavy body-checking, defensive defenseman who draws the ire of his opponents with his sometimes borderline legal, antagonistic play. Some scouts see elements of long-time NHL defenseman Ulf Samuelsson in his approach to the game, but he has not yet demonstrated the offensive elements and instincts that Samuelsson had. A right-handed shooting defenseman (somewhat rare among Europeans), Nilsson has a decent shot.

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Don't think he's quite NHL ready, but this guy looks exceptionally smart, and mobile.

He seems to be a cut between Gunnarsson and Gardiner. Slick skater, some offense is there, he's a RH shot(much needed for the Leafs). High Hockey IQ. Rarely caught out of position. Physical, has some shutdown abilities.

So:
Phaneuf/Nilsson?
Gardiner/Franson
Fraser/Gunarsson, as a shutdown pairing?
The only problem I have is that I think we need someone experienced to play with Dion. Kostka was with him at the beginning of the season and now both are on most negative fans 'hit lists'.

I think it would not be a good idea to bring a rookie in and play him top line minutes with Dion. i just don't see it going well.

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He isn't coming over for at least one year.

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That'd be great, but if your plan to stabalize and improve your top defensive pairing is to add your 20 year old, late round pick who is entering his first year in NA, you need a better plan.

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You want a young rookie on our top pairing???

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You want a young rookie on our top pairing???
Worked for the Wild.

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Worked for the Wild.
And it would work for Toronto if it wasn't, you know Toronto. Brodin would have been torn apart here for any small mistake he made. And how well did it work for the Wild? They barely made the playoffs and then had to face Chiacgo and were gone in 5.

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That'd be great, but if your plan to stabalize and improve your top defensive pairing is to add your 20 year old, late round pick who is entering his first year in NA, you need a better plan.
The same thing was once said about Tomas Kaberle. And, Borge Salming.

Not calling Nilsson, Kaberle or Salming like, but surprises do happen sometimes.

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The same thing was once said about Tomas Kaberle. And, Borge Salming.

Not calling Nilsson, Kaberle or Salming like, but surprises do happen sometimes.
Sure...but Kaberle didn't play top line minutes his first year in NA. Kaberle was a revelation, but he played very protected minutes his first few years in Toronto.

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05-15-2013, 10:41 AM
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If any young RH Swede would be a sleeper solution, it would be Granberg. Although I'm a big fan of Nilsson.

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The same thing was once said about Tomas Kaberle. And, Borge Salming.

Not calling Nilsson, Kaberle or Salming like, but surprises do happen sometimes.
Yeah, they're nice surprises, not guys you viewed as a solution to your biggest problem when entering their first seasons.

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05-15-2013, 10:55 AM
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The leafs and Phaneuf needs someone with bulk who can clear lucic/chara from the front of the net. Someone like Fraser but a better skater, and more defensively responsible

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The leafs and Phaneuf needs someone with bulk who can clear lucic/chara from the front of the net. Someone like Fraser but a better skater, and more defensively responsible
isn't that everything granberg is touted to be?

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How about we let our prospects earn their stripes before pencilling them in? Nothing is wrong with phaneuf. We need to add another defensemen to play with him or or anchor another pairing.

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05-15-2013, 11:47 AM
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Aquire a vet to play with Dion, someone in their mid to late 30's who can log those hard minutes. On the other hand, why not try pairing him with Jake? The whole RHD, LHD thing really isn't that important

Gardiner - Phaneuf
Liles - Gunner
Fraser - Franson
O'Byrne

Gardiner, Phaneuf, Franson are the keepers. Gunner and Fraser are good but replaceable. Liles and O'Byrne are lucky to be here.

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When did OP say that this is for this upcoming season? He just said potential partner for Dion. Should he pan out, he is exactly the type of player we want with Dion.

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Why aren't we pegging Rielly for a top position but we are for Nilsson..

just sayin'

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Why aren't we pegging Rielly for a top position but we are for Nilsson..

just sayin'
Rielly will be the future of our defense the Scott Niedermayer we should have drafted all those years ago. Nilsson will never have the type of game Rielly plays but that's a good thing because Rielly and Gardiner are kinda too similar in that aspect. Nilsson is a guy who can throw his weight around and is reliable in his own end, but also isn't afraid to handle the puck.

The Maple leafs have one of if not the most promising defenses for the future in the NHL. over the next 2 seasons we should see guys like Phaneuf continue to be the leader on the back end, Gardiner be a main fixture with guys like Rielly, Nilsson, and Finn, Blacker and Percy all finding their feed or knocking on the door for the Leafs. Add in some key free agent signing (hopefully someone like Robyn Regehr) maybe Gunnarsson is still around and that's a pretty solid defensive core moving forward. No doubt there will be one or two other names on that list via trades or free agency signings but the defense of Toronto is defiantly a deep and talented core.

What we need is to start drafting skilled forwards, we have the sandpaper/ semi skilled players you need on your 2nd and 3rd lines but we don't have the pure talent in the system upfront yet. Max Domi, Adam Erne, Andre Burakovsky, Jason Dickinson. I wouldn't have a problem adding a game changing physical forward like Ryan Hartman who can do more then just be a physical beast. my first choise would be Burakovsky I think this guy has the potential to be a game breaker from what I have seen of him, Max Domi 2nd as we do need centers and he has offensive potential . Erne is a guy who makes things happen out of nothing.

In closing with the 21st pick we have options to pickup up something special there is some good talent out there for us to snag up this draft I just hope we elect to keep the pick.

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Nilsson could be a top 6 guy in a few years, but what dion needs is someone smarter, faster and a better player with so he can be babysat on the ice & allowed to do his thing

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