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03-30-2013, 08:18 PM
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i totally agree

but why give Chicago exactly what they need without extracting a premium

especially when we have no need to trade him

Bowman has a habit of taking advantage of teams in trade
like the Leddy trade

I prefer not to be the next sucker
Because Bowman has shown he has absolutely no problem with standing pat.

If the price is too high, he just walks away.

Bowman's trading history tends much more towards meh-to-good. The Leddy trade is the only outlier that qualifies as great. He literally never does huge overpayment.

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03-30-2013, 08:19 PM
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Wonder if we might see some
Sort of Bolland - Nielsen swap

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03-30-2013, 08:20 PM
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Doesn't fix faceoff problem nor is he a #2 C

But he would be better fit for 2nd line C and would allow Bolland to fall back to 3rd line/Shaw back to wing

Saad-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Nielsen-Hossa
Bickell-Bolland-Shaw
Stalberg-Kruger-Frolik
(Carcillo/Mayers)

I can live with that forward group going into playoffs

I think Nielsen has untapped potential offensively and might get chance to finally show it playing with guys like Sharp/Hossa (Possibly Kane instead of Hossa)
I can understand Snow kicking the tires, on trades involving the vets who are scheduled to become ufas. He's still trying to sign Streit/Boyes/Nabby to extensions and if they don't reach agreement, it makes sense to have explored all options.

However, I don't undertstand the thinking behind moving 28 yr old Frans Nielsen for picks/prospects. Isles think both 19 yr old Strome and 21 yr old Brock Nelson have 2nd line center potential, but they don't have 1 nhl game played between them. Terrible idea to move your 2nd line center and count on prospects to just step in and produce right away.

Also, how many prospects does Snow need?

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03-30-2013, 08:23 PM
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Lu for Nielsen+Nabby, I do NOT want Nielsen going to the blackhawks under any circumstances.
there's logic to that and definite value to both teams

but after Dipietro's contract Id have to pass.

just want no part of a contract like that unless Vancouver held back half his salary

and thats not good for your team

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03-30-2013, 08:25 PM
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Streit is awful ,, I see no reason for Hawks to be involved for him unless they can dump Oduya somehow off on Islanders or the Isles take Montador off the Hawks hands (Streit contract expires this summer ,, Monty has 2 more years)
In what world would the cash strapped Isles, take on a $2.7m per season cap dump?

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Wonder if we might see some
Sort of Bolland - Nielsen swap
Now there is an interesting thought, and not at all outlandish. Fill more or less the same role, but Nielsen is signed for longer so Hawks would have add something smallish. I'm not sure why exactly the Hawks would do this, but for the Isles and their upcoming logjam at center, this might be enticing. Don't really see it happening in the middle of a playoff push though, Isles wouldn't move Nielsen unless it was for an upgrade.

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03-30-2013, 08:26 PM
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**** off Hawks, we NEED Frans.

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Wonder if we might see some
Sort of Bolland - Nielsen swap
why would we want Bolland?

frans is better and cheaper imho

I say unless we get a clear overpayment we are better of holding Frans until Strome and Nelson earn the job

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03-30-2013, 08:33 PM
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Looks like Isles_Guy is back.

Haha! No, this is jtavErAs4pres. Genius.

OnT: I don't want to trade Frans. He is very important for our team, he is our best defensive forward and he is magic in the SOs. If he is going to get traded, the buyer has to give up alot.

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I think he'd be great for Chicago, but NYI would really need convincing to let him go.

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I would be so ****ing pissed if Garth Snow traded Frans, the biggest problem with this team for the longest time has been having a roster of not legit NHLers and he IS one of our legit NHLers. He is a very useful roleplayer, can play in just about any situation.

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03-31-2013, 03:32 AM
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Not a deal the Isles make at this point but at the draft it may be a different story.

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03-31-2013, 06:08 AM
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in a trade at the TD, he isn't worth more than a 1st + better prospect (read: not a guy like Teräväinen, Danault or McNeill).


Nielsen is liked by fans and team, but getting prospects back that are close to the NHL like Pirri would help the Isles. They still need to go the way of youth until all of their guys are ready to make a run.

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in a trade at the TD, he isn't worth more than a 1st + better prospect (read: not a guy like Teräväinen, Danault or McNeill).


Nielsen is liked by fans and team, but getting prospects back that are close to the NHL like Pirri would help the Isles. They still need to go the way of youth until all of their guys are ready to make a run.
Your team needs to make the prospects for vets pitch, to a team that doesn't have
a several top youngsters knocking on the nhl door.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...hing-1.4905549
Published: March 25, 2013 9:09 PM
But the Islanders first will look within to fill the holes on their roster, and next season could bring a bumper crop of prospects into the spotlight.

Lee, 2011 first-rounder Ryan Strome and the two 2010 first-round picks, Nino Niederreiter and Brock Nelson, will get long looks in training camp to find a dynamic second line and a talented young winger to slot in alongside John Tavares

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I would be so ****ing pissed if Garth Snow traded Frans, the biggest problem with this team for the longest time has been having a roster of not legit NHLers and he IS one of our legit NHLers. He is a very useful roleplayer, can play in just about any situation.
I've cut Wang/Snow a lot of slack, but I don't know how anyone can defend them trading 28 yr old Nielsen for prospects, when he is playing 2nd line center and the isles are tied with the NYR in pts for 8th, 4 pts behind NJ for 7th place.

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03-31-2013, 06:57 AM
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Nielsen is the type of guy you have to overpay for because he's worth more to the team than his trade value.

I don't see him getting moved
This. I would trade him for Saad or Pirri and a first. Next season at the deadline would be better for the NYI to trade him. I really think Strome has star potential and the NYI have alot of Center prospects.

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I'd say a 1st and Teravainen would bring back more than Frans Nielsen...
Of course. I don't think anyone would say Frans is worth that much.

But the isles have 5 straight bottom-5 finishes and are currently sitting in 8th. Why would they trade a key player who is 28 and under contract for 3 more years without dramatic overpayment?

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Wonder if we might see some
Sort of Bolland - Nielsen swap
This I would do, but Hawks won't.

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I don't want to hawks to do this really

Signed for 4 years and next year when they will be in a cap crunch

Not an upgrade on faceoffs

I think he may be underrated to the league. But way overrated to islanders fans.

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Nielsen is liked by fans and team, but getting prospects back that are close to the NHL like Pirri would help the Isles. They still need to go the way of youth until all of their guys are ready to make a run.
I don't agree with this at all. The problem a lot of the "young" teams have had is they've gone much too far youth. Nielsen is 28, hardly old. He's signed at below market price for three more seasons, so he can be a key part of the Islanders building plans for the next few years. Nielsen is the kind of player that the Islanders should be clinging to.

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I don't want to hawks to do this really

Signed for 4 years and next year when they will be in a cap crunch

Not an upgrade on faceoffs

I think he may be underrated to the league. But way overrated to islanders fans.
I find it hard to believe that Nielsen will be moved because the isles are in the playoff race, they have no one but rookies to replace him on the 2nd line and they love those team friendly contracts.

I could see Streit moved, if he and Snow can't reach agreement on his extension.
He was asking for 3 yrs/$10m before Vis signed his 2 yr/$9.7m deal.

Not much info in the press, except a short paragraph in yesterday's Viskovsky article, saying progress was being made on Streit's extension.

So, if Streit ends up shopped, what do you think the Hawks would offer for Streit alone?

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Doesn't fix faceoff problem nor is he a #2 C

But he would be better fit for 2nd line C and would allow Bolland to fall back to 3rd line/Shaw back to wing

Saad-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Nielsen-Hossa
Bickell-Bolland-Shaw
Stalberg-Kruger-Frolik
(Carcillo/Mayers)

I can live with that forward group going into playoffs

I think Nielsen has untapped potential offensively and might get chance to finally show it playing with guys like Sharp/Hossa (Possibly Kane instead of Hossa)

1 - He's not a 2nd line center
2 - He shows flashes offensively. Put him with Crosby and that still won't change.
3 - While I like him, you can have him. He's soft and the Isles need a change in persona.

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Someone tell the Hawks that they don't use the shootout in the playoffs.

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1 - He's not a 2nd line center
2 - He shows flashes offensively. Put him with Crosby and that still won't change.
3 - While I like him, you can have him. He's soft and the Isles need a change in persona.
With the isles technically tied for 8th and 4 pts out of 7th, who are you sliding into Nielsen's 2nd line center spot?

Bailey who struggled in that spot and looks better on wing?
Boyes who hasn't played center in several yrs?
Young Cizikas who hasn't earned a top 6 role and who's been part of a very strong 4th line?
Reasoner who has 0 goals on the season and is only keeping his roster spot because of his faceoff abilities?

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You'll have to give up a lot to get Nielsen off the Island, he's too important to the team. And the Islanders don't need prospect/draft picks. This trade will never happen...

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