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05-13-2013, 01:49 PM
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Now that Kyle Palms is RFA what do we offer him?

Played extremely well for us this season. Shows true top 6 potential along with Etem. Curious about what we should do in this situation.

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Probably something close to what we gave Sbisa.

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Probably something close to what we gave Sbisa.
Correct me if I'm wrong ED, but we also have Beleskey RFA also and Marron as well. Do we have enough cap room to get these three guys signed? I'm hoping none of em pull a Subban that would suck.

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Maroon has already signed.

And Beleskey is a bottom 6 player, not exactly close to Subban's level.

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Maroon already signed an extension. We should be able to sign them. Palmieri isn't really in a position to do what Subban did. I don't think he's even eligible for an offer sheet.

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Maroon already signed an extension. We should be able to sign them. Palmieri isn't really in a position to do what Subban did. I don't think he's even eligible for an offer sheet.
Yeah, wouldn't worry about him getting signed, in any way. Clearly not in a situation remotely like Subban, and his deal probably will be smaller than the amount of money bargained over in the P.K. negotiations. Cam Atkinson's $1.15m deal (2 years) with the Blue Jackets should be a fine comparable for him. Make it a year more and up the price accordingly, I think we'll be looking at the neighbourhood of 3 yrs, $5m (total) ideally.

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I could see him asking for 2-2.4 mill per year.

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I could see him asking for 2-2.4 mill per year.
Well, he may ask for it, but he has little leverage. And he realistically shouldn't be asking or getting it, as players in his situation pretty much never get that. Even a guy with the impact of Michael Del Zotto last year ended up getting $2.55m from the Rangers, being more important, longer in the league, more points, etc... With just little over one season in the big league (and a short one at that), and no ridiculous point totals, a yearly average of $2+ would be quite surprising, unless we're looking at 4 years, which probably wouldn't be in his best interest.

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I say 1.5 to 2 mil for 4.

I think he likes the team, and will take less for a longer contract. At least that's what I hope.

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I say 1.5 to 2 mil for 4.

I think he likes the team, and will take less for a longer contract. At least that's what I hope.
Nah, at his age and with a fair bit of potential and all but certainty that his point totals and play will improve, the longer the contract, the more expensive it will be. Two years would be the cheapest in a bridge-type deal. That's most likely what he (his agent) will want, as there's a fair chance that he'll get good minutes at the latest in the 2nd year, puts up 20 goals /45 points+ (not too far off this years' pace, actually) and can ask for $3-ish million then, if things don't go even better for him. The Ducks obviously will want him for a 3rd year on a cheap deal now. With anything longer, it's probably nothing he'd be interested in, or the Ducks would have to basically pay for what he expects to contribute four years from now.

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I can see 1.5-2 mil range. I think Palms will want a 2 or 3 yr deal while Ducks will push for 4yr.

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I think this will be a short term deal. One or two years at $1.2-1.6MM. Palmieri and his agent will want to see how the Ducks top 6 shapes up over the next season or two before they would sign long term IMO.

Beleskey would be a great bottom six guy to lock up for 3 or 4 years if you could save a bit of money. Somewhere around $4.7MM for 4 years would be great ( $1MM, 1.15MM, 1.25MM, 1.3MM).

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A young player who established himself as an NHL player this season.

1 year 1.5 sounds about right.

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1 year? No, no. He is almost a top6 player right now, and has potential to be a 60 point scorer. Should offer him at least 3 years, perhaps even 4.

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1 year? No, no. He is almost a top6 player right now, and has potential to be a 60 point scorer. Should offer him at least 3 years, perhaps even 4.
4 years would be the worst length because that takes him right to UFA years, whereas anything less than four would mean we still retain RFA rights. I don't think you'll see Palmieri sign long-term until at least after a bridge contract or two.

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Ah, I misunderstood the RFA rules. Then I agree to 2/3-years.

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One year is what you typically see when you're unsure whether a player can stick in the NHL. That doesn't make sense for Palmieri.

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Unless something absolutely stunning happens, neither 1 or 4 years will be options, really. Both are the extreme sides. At this stage of his career, there isn't a ton to negotiate over money, but the term is key. As an RFA, who's not really in the slim category of players that could afford to hold out, the Ducks have a fair bit of leverage, so there's no way they'd be okay with a one 1-year deal. There's a good chance he's going to be in a bigger role next year, which should see his numbers improve, and you generally tend to pay for a player's experience in the league. He would only be more expensive a year from now, and there's a good enough chance that it would be by so much that we'd rather give him a little more than he's worth now for longer.

Four years is the opposing extreme. He can be expected to improve over the next years substantially, so his worth will likely rise year-by-year from now. He'd most likely leave a significant amount of money on the table by signing a four-year deal compared to two two-year deals. The Ducks would basically have to hold a gun to his head and say "four years or nothing" and strongarm him into such a deal, but that would drag out a while and sour the relationship forever. Another thing to consider would be at what time he would become an UFA; could be in 4 or 5 years, not sure. Whichever it is, the Ducks would unconditionally avoid having any deal run out that first year, while Palmieri's camp would be looking at just that. It's the biggest turning point in terms of leverage.)

The far most likely scenario is in the middle. Palmieri will want two, the Ducks will offer slightly more for three. One side ends up giving in on the term and get a slightly better deal on the money.

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3 years is what the Ducks should try for. Palms' agent will probably try for 2.

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3 years is what the Ducks should try for. Palms' agent will probably try for 2.
This.

On Anaheim's side, they want 3 years because he will still be an RFA, and they will get as many cheaper years as they can get before his next increase. On Palmieri's side, 2 years makes the most sense. It allows Palmieri to establish himself and build up his statsheet, while making sure that he gets a bigger paycheck as soon as possible.

If Anaheim gets him for 3 years, I'd hope that they would be willing to pay him a tad more. If Palmieri only wants 2 years, he needs to be willing to take a little less.

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Palmieri has virtually no leverage. Right now he's put up 0.5ppg over an abbreviated season. We should be able to get him for either a 2 year cheap deal (think $1.5M) or a Sbisa type contract where we get a couple of extra years but at a higher cap hit - somewhere in the $2M range.

Beleskey is a valuable player but guys like him don't typically get paid much until they hit UFA (see the likes of Prust). $1 - $1.5M should easily be enough to get Beleskey signed.

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Couldn't see him signing for more than 3 years, and wouldn't want to sign him that long anyways. He could bust. I don't think he will, but you still don't want an inflated contract bottom 6 guy. I think 3.8 for 2 years. Then he gets his first 'real' contract

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He is not getting 3.8. Kyle is in no position to ask for that much.

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I'd say three year with an average of 2.0M per would be fair, and still reasonable for both parties. Probably something like that:

Year 1: 1.67M
Year 2: 2.00M
Year 3: 2.33M

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$2.4m for 2 years

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