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05-12-2013, 11:35 AM
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the Dan Cleary deal made it a choice between Hossa and Franzen

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the Dan Cleary deal made it a choice between Hossa and Franzen
??????

Bob, didn't Cleary re-sign before the playoffs in 08?

You are writing this as if KH sat down with a choice between Franzen, Hossa and Cleary and said I'll take Franzen and the 2012-13 version of Dan Cleary.

The memory is a little foggy, but wasn't the challenge at the time, to get everyone re-signed while leaving room for 40 and 93 coming due for 09-10?

If you were advocating not to re-sign Cleary so that we had room to sign 40, 93 AND Hossa(as UFA), then god bless you......


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05-12-2013, 09:36 PM
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Are no tougher and scarier than teams in the West. Playoff hockey in the West is a grind. East, not so much.
An 82 game season against teams like Boston and Philly is a grind too. Brunner will get pushed around even more next year, doesn't mean he's bad, he's just small and weak. I don't care as long as he's putting the puck in the net, just doesn't change the fact he's going to get pushed off the puck.

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Beyond $3M/yr and $4M/yr respectively I'm looking elsewhere. Maybe if Fil weren't a 35-40pt scorer with one freak season mixed he'd have a leg to stand on asking for $5M+. That's Sharp, Krecji, Benn money, and Fil can't touch 'em with a 10' pole...
Yea, I think that's how everyone feels. But this is Ken Holland we're talking about. I'm just not going to be surprised when Filppula is re-signed for $5+ million. Doesn't mean I think he deserves it, because by no means does he.

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05-13-2013, 08:30 AM
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An 82 game season against teams like Boston and Philly is a grind too. Brunner will get pushed around even more next year, doesn't mean he's bad, he's just small and weak. I don't care as long as he's putting the puck in the net, just doesn't change the fact he's going to get pushed off the puck.
Playing against West teams is much harder. Philly's D plays way too soft. LA, St. Louis, Phoenix, Anaheim, SJ, Nashville all are harder to play against imo.

He's not going to get pushed more unless he regresses.

Only few Wings fans are saying that East is harder to play against, that D plays tougher etc. I haven't seen that claimed anywhere else.

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05-20-2013, 03:10 AM
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Playing against West teams is much harder. Philly's D plays way too soft. LA, St. Louis, Phoenix, Anaheim, SJ, Nashville all are harder to play against imo.

He's not going to get pushed more unless he regresses.

Only few Wings fans are saying that East is harder to play against, that D plays tougher etc. I haven't seen that claimed anywhere else.
I too think it will be easier both for the Wings and Brunner to play in the East.
It will be more exciting too.
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I am not sure I would agree With Howard about his comments on Brunner.

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05-20-2013, 07:09 AM
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BTW Brunner has been fantastic for us, both regular season and even moreso in the playoffs.

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05-20-2013, 11:37 AM
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Good article. I like to see the progress in the rest of his game and I believe he'll be a legit 25-30 goal scorer and not a liability on D.

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05-20-2013, 11:55 AM
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He's improved a lot as the season has gone on IMO. Gotten better in the corners, backchecking harder, etc.

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He's improved a lot as the season has gone on IMO. Gotten better in the corners, backchecking harder, etc.
Not sure how accurate this is, but NHL.com had his stats at 7 points in 9 playoff games. Not bad for a 3rd liner in a grueling first round and a second round against the best team in the league.

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05-21-2013, 03:43 AM
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8 points (4 goals) in 10 games in third line against Anaheim and Chicago. I've not seen him play as much as I wanted in the play-off, but the stats look amazing. Proud of him! Swiss hockey on the rise!

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why did he play just 9 minutes? the third line didn't have much ice time so what happend?

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why did he play just 9 minutes? the third line didn't have much ice time so what happend?
They liked to line match those 1-2 lines more. And Brunner's ice time was also reduced from the PP, because we had the lead. They went with two defecemen on the point (Kronwall/Quincey + Kindl/Cola), just to get more security on the point.

If the Hawks would have the lead, they would have used Brunner and the 3rd line more as an offensive player/line. But when you have the lead, you use the best defensive people the most (1st, 2nd and 4th line).

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Playing against West teams is much harder. Philly's D plays way too soft. LA, St. Louis, Phoenix, Anaheim, SJ, Nashville all are harder to play against imo.

He's not going to get pushed more unless he regresses.

Only few Wings fans are saying that East is harder to play against, that D plays tougher etc. I haven't seen that claimed anywhere else.
Agreed. Sure, each division has its bruisers, but the Wings will have an easier time in the East. At the top end, I'd rather take BOS & MTL over CHI & STL, and on the bottom, FLA, TB & BUF are more appealing than COL, NSH & DAL. (OTT & TOR are better than MIN & WIN though.)

Bruner has steadily adapted to the NA game. He'll be fine in the East. Not sure why anyone would think there wouldn't be bumps in the road.

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05-21-2013, 04:23 PM
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Not sure how accurate this is, but NHL.com had his stats at 7 points in 9 playoff games. Not bad for a 3rd liner in a grueling first round and a second round against the best team in the league.
I think his role is perfect for where he's at now. Playing on the kid line he's not playing against the top defenders. It gives him a tad more room, and also makes his defensive assignments a little friendlier. So far five points with the 3rd line and three points on the PP. It's just a matter of maintaining this level and getting consistent, he's got the chance to be a fringe first liner or very good second liner long-term.

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05-21-2013, 04:43 PM
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Brunner is noticeably stronger on the puck and making much better decisions suited to the NA style.

He's very mature and wants to learn and succeed so badly. It's very evident in his play and development. Find a way to keep him.

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I'e just been on the NHL stats webpage. Brunner is listed as 24th with a TOI/G that is absolutely off the charts for the player with 8+ points, with 13:15 is 2 minutes faster than the 2nd and 3rd (Neal and Iginla). All the other have 17:30+.
At the moment he probably is the most dangerous 3rd liner of the league.

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05-25-2013, 08:03 AM
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I love his scorer mentality but he needs to shorten up his shooting motion and get the puck off his stick quicker. Tries to do that drag-and-wait shot and a lot of times, and he loses his shooting lane because of it. Needs to just fire some quick snap shots like Hossa and Gabby do all the time. No drag, just fire.

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I'e just been on the NHL stats webpage. Brunner is listed as 24th with a TOI/G that is absolutely off the charts for the player with 8+ points, with 13:15 is 2 minutes faster than the 2nd and 3rd (Neal and Iginla). All the other have 17:30+.
At the moment he probably is the most dangerous 3rd liner of the league.
He's obviously very good. But a lot of his success is linemates and chemistry. Andersson and Nyquist make that third line work with him. If we were rolling with what we had at the beginning of the season on the third line and slotted him in there, he wouldn't be having this kind of success.

Dat depth.

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05-28-2013, 01:57 AM
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What sort of contract could be on the horizon between Brunner and the Wings this summer? Long-term? Short term? 2.5/yr ish? 3-4/yr?

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What sort of contract could be on the horizon between Brunner and the Wings this summer? Long-term? Short term? 2.5/yr ish? 3-4/yr?
I predict 3-years for 3 million.

2 years 2.5 per (2.25 - 2.75)
3 years 3.0 per (2.5 - 3.0 - 3.5)
4 years 3.5 per (2.75 - 3.25 - 3.75 - 4.25)

Those would be the options I would give him to choose.

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I predict 3-years for 3 million.

2 years 2.5 per (2.25 - 2.75)
3 years 3.0 per (2.5 - 3.0 - 3.5)
4 years 3.5 per (2.75 - 3.25 - 3.75 - 4.25)

Those would be the options I would give him to choose.
That's what i'm thinking also.

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What sort of contract could be on the horizon between Brunner and the Wings this summer? Long-term? Short term? 2.5/yr ish? 3-4/yr?
I'd give him a 2 year 4.5 - 4.8M deal.

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I predict 3-years for 3 million.

2 years 2.5 per (2.25 - 2.75)
3 years 3.0 per (2.5 - 3.0 - 3.5)
4 years 3.5 per (2.75 - 3.25 - 3.75 - 4.25)

Those would be the options I would give him to choose.
usually the longer the contract the less per year the player gets. on a longer contract the player gives up some money per year for more financial security overall (more years).

your breakdown makes no sense.

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I predict 3-years for 3 million.

2 years 2.5 per (2.25 - 2.75)
3 years 3.0 per (2.5 - 3.0 - 3.5)
4 years 3.5 per (2.75 - 3.25 - 3.75 - 4.25)

Those would be the options I would give him to choose.
I think he'll like take the 3 year deal for 9M, though imo it'll be structured a bit different (2.75-3.0-3.25).

I think it's a fair contract, a 20-30 goal scorer, a 50-60 point guy, a 3M cap hit is pretty good. He's also a hard worker, he's improved defensively and seems well liked in the room.

I think I'd be willing to go up to 3.5M to keep him.

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