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03-31-2013, 09:20 PM
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This is embarassing. Everyone said no already, like they should-- don't argue why they SHOULD be interested in pieces that they aren't interested in.

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03-31-2013, 09:20 PM
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Martin Brodure and Scott Gomez have more goals then Clowe. Pavelski got cold along with Marleau for the last month or so
Except for, y'know, those past four games where he's scored a goal.

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03-31-2013, 09:22 PM
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pavs has a 4 game goal scoring streak, i would say hes stepped it up a bit, o and raymond cant hold pavs jock and never will
No man, Raymond >>>> Pavelski. Also Pavelski has been in a culture of losing(lolwut) and Raymond has been in a culure of winning.

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03-31-2013, 09:24 PM
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I don't necessarily want Pavelski. Raymond has more upside yet.
Raymond is 1 year younger than Pavelski and never cracked 30 goals or 60 points in his career.

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Pavelski has been in a culture of losing for so long.
Because Raymond and the Vancouver Canucks know so much about winning.

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03-31-2013, 09:30 PM
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No man, Raymond >>>> Pavelski. Also Pavelski has been in a culture of losing(lolwut) and Raymond has been in a culure of winning.
um sharks are in the top 3 over the last 7 years, for most wins, and amount of playoff rounds won. losing culture? hardly. and i said earlier, pavs and kesler are very close as players, so like i said, raymond isnt even close. unless you think kesler and raymond are equal, i certainly hope not

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Marleau's scoring has declined every year since 09/10 and he's not getting any younger.
As opposed to Raymond and his non-exsistant upswing?

Raymond would look good on Thornton's wing...isn't that what you said? Jumbo is as old as Marleau so please tell me why the Sharks would even consider this.

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03-31-2013, 09:54 PM
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As opposed to Raymond and his non-exsistant upswing?

Raymond would look good on Thornton's wing...isn't that what you said? Jumbo is as old as Marleau so please tell me why the Sharks would even consider this.
Because Thornton is a much better hockey player than Marleau. His entire game is based on playmaking and he is a big body that doesn't have to be overly physical. He will be playing until his late 30s at the very least while I predict Marleau will be on a steep decline starting next season or the one after.

Thornton isn't going to be putting up 100 point seasons anymore, but he should still be a shoe in for 50-60 assists every season for the next 4-5 years while I think Marleau's best goal scoring days will soon be behind him.

Meanwhile Raymond has nowhere to go but up.

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i will give you the wheels, but superior defensively is crazy, pavs is a great two way player, and since they put him back at center even more so. pavs and kesler are about the same defensively

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03-31-2013, 10:02 PM
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kesler has had a couple great years, but pavs hasnt been far behind.

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I don't necessarily want Pavelski. Raymond has more upside yet.

Pavelski has been in a culture of losing for so long.
Like how Lucic and Marchand bullied the Canucks into losing the cup after they went up 2-0?

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03-31-2013, 10:07 PM
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Yeah, but Pavs doesn't dive.
He's nowhere near Kesler's pathetic level, but to say Pavs doesn't dive at all is not correct.

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Marleau's scoring has declined every year since 09/10 and he's not getting any younger.
I could say the exact same thing about the Sedins. Friendly reminder that they're only one year younger than Thornton and Marleau. Any time you whine about Thornton and Marleau being old, declining, and losers, the exact same argument can be applied to the Sedins.

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Meanwhile Raymond has nowhere to go but up.
That's just because he sucks. Come on, how much 'upside' can a 27 year old have.

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Yes, because Award voters are notorious for their accuracy.

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03-31-2013, 10:11 PM
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Raymond wouldn't play on Jumbo's wing, much less play in the top six

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03-31-2013, 10:21 PM
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Meanwhile Raymond has nowhere to go but up.
The Sharks have no interest in another Torrey Mitchell.

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03-31-2013, 11:09 PM
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As a Canuck fan, this is why people hate Canuck fans.

Pavelski's a dynamite hockey player. If I had him on my team, I wouldn't trade him, much less for our spare crap.

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03-31-2013, 11:17 PM
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The Sharks have no interest in another Torrey Mitchell.
This. I always thought Raymond was somewhat better than Mitchell. He would be an ok addition, but not as a core piece in pavs deal lol...

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03-31-2013, 11:19 PM
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As a Canuck fan, this is why people hate Canuck fans.

Pavelski's a dynamite hockey player. If I had him on my team, I wouldn't trade him, much less for our spare crap.
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03-31-2013, 11:21 PM
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I love these proposals.

Step 1: Target a good player on a struggling team
Step 2: Employ "this team needs a shakeup" rationale
Step 3: Offer your team's garbage for said player
Step 4: Act OFFENDED when fans of the other team tell you they don't want your garbage. How DARE they disparage this player you've been complaining about and trying to get rid of for months/years?

High comedy, every time.

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03-31-2013, 11:44 PM
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I don't understand the rationale behind SJS fans saying a 2013 1st and Gaunce are scraps or crap assets

Personally I would do 2013 1st + 2014 1st + Raymond/Higgins + any prospect not named Jensen or Corrado

2 1sts
Middle 6 roster player that is a UFA and can be resigned it let walk
A good prospect

I think that is a pretty solid package for Pavelskie, SJS is trying to retool/moderately rebuild right? Anything more and I'd walk away, Pavelski isn't worth any further overpayment as a comparable centre could be found for the same package tbh.

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03-31-2013, 11:46 PM
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Counter offer: sarcastic, of course

Ryane Clowe + Matt Nieto + Conditional 1st for Ryan Kesler

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I don't understand the rationale behind SJS fans saying a 2013 1st and Gaunce are scraps or crap assets

Personally I would do 2013 1st + 2014 1st + Raymond/Higgins + any prospect not named Jensen or Corrado

2 1sts
Middle 6 roster player that is a UFA and can be resigned it let walk
A good prospect

I think that is a pretty solid package for Pavelskie, SJS is trying to retool/moderately rebuild right? Anything more and I'd walk away, Pavelski isn't worth any further overpayment as a comparable centre could be found for the same package tbh.
Two very late firsts, a UFA, and a potential #3C. Yeah, really enticing to move our 28 y/o 60 point Selke caliber center.

Would you move Kesler for that package? I didn't think so.

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Two very late firsts, a UFA, and a potential #3C. Yeah, really enticing to move our 28 y/o 60 point Selke caliber center.

Would you move Kesler for that package? I didn't think so.
If the Canucks were in rebuild mode, yea I probably would ask for more but tbh all things equal Kesler is a better, more versatile player than Pavelski but Pavelski is injured less

Also if you listen to the Canuck haters apparently we are going to lose the division to Minnesota so it would be a top 17 pick

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Gaunce doesn't have much value yet on the open market yet. In a season or two, this sort of deal might be much more even, but not now.

But there is no real reason why San Jose would trade Pavs.

We're better off licking our wounds and watching season 3 of Mad Men

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Sorry Sharks fans, this offer is terribad

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I've seen you in the other threads where Sharks fans have told Canucks fans how much we domt want or need Raymond. Please stop trying to peddle him to us. Pavelski is a damn good second line center, you would have to drastically overpay to get him considering we're inter conference and division rivals next year

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If the Canucks were in rebuild mode, yea I probably would ask for more but tbh all things equal Kesler is a better, more versatile player than Pavelski but Pavelski is injured less

Also if you listen to the Canuck haters apparently we are going to lose the division to Minnesota so it would be a top 17 pick
How is Kesler more versatile than Pavelski? Pavelski can play wing or center, play with top-end players like Marleau and Pavelski or scrubs like Mitchell and Wellwood. There are very few players more versatile than Pavelski.

The only things that Kesler has over Pavelski is size and speed, but Pavelski is smarter and more importantly has the ability to stay healthy for more than a dozen games at a time. Added that Pavelski has a better contract, and their value is nearly identical. And I guarantee you that if Sharks fans offered Galiardi, Hamilton, and a conditional first for Kesler you'd be screaming bloody murder.

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