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Luongo talks beyond the 'tire kicking' stage", multiple teams involved

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03-31-2013, 10:03 PM
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Oh, so it's worse than I thought.

Still, no interest in Luongo and his .904 SV%.
Sample size about as large as the length of time Reimer stays healthy. Luongo is 5th all-time in save percentage.

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03-31-2013, 10:04 PM
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Luongo is the one goalie Tampa shouldn't be in the mix for. I'd much rather target Miller.

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Oh, so it's worse than I thought.

Still, no interest in Luongo and his .904 SV%.
I would suggest you read up on how the cap works before you make false statements.

Also nice sample size for save %.

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I have never seen anything like this before. Where you have a top quality goalie who is a good guy and no one wants him on their team. I get the reasons and as a Leaf fan my 5 reasons are:
1.Lack of need(at the moment)
2.Will stall development of Reimer/Scrivens who I think will both become starters.
3.The $$ issue and the impact it will have on acquiring UFA's with the cap dropping.
4.With his age he is too young for a stop gap and too old to be a franchise goalie.
5.Don't want to part with anything.
It would help if he played a bit better. He was a brick wall at the beginning of the season and then he just wilted. He seems to need a lot of action to keep himself in the zone. Some of his best years he started over 70 games but Van is in too much of a dogfight to indulge his need for regular action. It will be interesting to see what he can do as a #1 again.

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03-31-2013, 10:05 PM
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"Mike is in discussions with multiple teams... Talks are beyond the 'tire kicking' stage"

This gives it away. Its the Islanders. Behind the scenes Tim Thomas is pumping Luongo's tires.

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03-31-2013, 10:05 PM
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Not completely unrealistic.

- Gillis has flat out said that he doesn't want to acquire a top 6 winger at the deadline.
- We need a left handed center who is decent at faceoffs (Grabo's at 50.3%)
- We will likely have to take a bad contract in return for Luongo
I would like Grabo, but I don't see a way we can fit in his contract unless we move both Booth and Ballard, even then we are pretty tight to the cap.

Actually let me give an estimated roster.

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m)
Mason Raymond ($2.500m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($5.500m)
Zack Kassian ($0.870m) / Jordan Schroeder ($0.900m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Steve Pinizzotto ($0.600m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Dale Weise ($0.750m)
Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Alexander Edler ($5.000m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Andrew Alberts ($0.900m) / Chris Tanev ($2.000m)
Cam Barker ($0.700m) /

GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)

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CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,480,000


So that's just estimated. We could have Corrado or Connaution, or sign someone else or something.

I guess we could make it work. Although since bad contract cancel out, Lu > Grabo. They would have to add a prospect or a 2nd or something IMO.

I would do Lu for Grabo, 2nd/Equal prospect, Scrivens.

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To Vancouver
Frans Nielsen (Great 3rd line center)
John Persson (Decent LW prospect something the Canucks desperately need)
2nd Round Pick (Turns into a 3rd if it's a top 45 pick)

To NYI
Roberto Luongo
Mason Raymond
Not really a huge fan of giving up Raymond. I think we need him for the playoffs. And I don't think he brings much value to the Islanders either. Also you have to think about there financial situation and if they are even in the market because of that. Which I personally don't think they are.

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im not saying Grabo is going to be trade for Luongo

but do seriously think the Canucks wont have to take back salary
No I think we probably will, although I would rather take a worthless players back like Komisarek that we can buyout.

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You're not getting Bozak.

We need three offensively capable centres in our top 9.

Not willing to go into the playoffs with Jay McClement as our #3.

Sorry.
Alright thats fine then, we will see how Nonis feels.

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Yikes.

Wouldn't trade Reimer for Lu straight up....
Your not serious... again...

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03-31-2013, 10:07 PM
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Can we please ****ing fire Nonis if he acquires Luongo's albatross contract?
I dont think you will have to worry just my feelings

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Luongo is old... His career is irrelevant...it's on a decline.

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03-31-2013, 10:08 PM
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It won't, he's not a 35+ contract. The ignorance of some people...
Actually, the Canucks are the hook for Luongos salary if he retires with them or with another team if he retires. However there's a formula based on total paid and total cap hit over total time from time left on his contract to determine just how much of a cap penalty and for how many years it would be. If he is traded the acquiring team would have the same issue (and the Canucks are stuck with it no matter what but the longer they keep him the more it will be).

So about that ignorance.

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I thought all frontloaded deals could have dead cap space no matter if 35+ or not?

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When Gillis is having a press conference about how he just traded Lou let me know.

I sure hope we don't give up the chance to have two number one goalies on our team going into the playoffs for trading for a number 3 defenceman.

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I disagree, but I see why Grabovski wouldn't exactly fit with the makeup of the Canucks.
I just feel that way simply because us getting Grabo, we will have to re-arrange our cap situation. Not that I am totally against it, just throwing that out there.

You guys can afford Lu under your cap, then there are options for later on, like trading him to a cap floor team before he retires, or buying him out. Which is a much better option and I am sure that is what Nonis has in mind. MSLE can certainly afford it.

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Come back in 5 years when a retired Luongo is costing your team $5.3M on the cap.
I don't think you know how that rule works.

It won't be 5.3 Million. It will be more like 1.5-2 Million. And as I said above, you could always trade him to a cap floor team, they would probably like to have that penalty. or buy him out.

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I would suggest you read up on how the cap works before you make false statements.

Also nice sample size for save %.
Again, see my post above. He's not entirely wrong.

In fact, it's called the Luongo Rule.

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I bet nothing happens again because Gillis is going to demand more then Luongo's worth and each of those phantom teams will drop one by one. Sounds like media hype for trade deadline ratings.

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Your not serious... again...
13-4-4 .920 save % as the 2nd youngest starter in the league..... I wouldnt do it either.

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Out of all this I do find it funny how Canucks get flack for abusing the media and drumming up value. Maple Leafs have been using the media to drum down the value just as much if not more.

End of the day I think most Canuck fans and Maple Leaf fans cant wait for April 3rd to be over with. No more forcing each other to take crappy deals.

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Actually, the Canucks are the hook for Luongos salary if he retires with them or with another team if he retires. However there's a formula based on total paid and total cap hit over total time from time left on his contract to determine just how much of a cap penalty and for how many years it would be. If he is traded the acquiring team would have the same issue (and the Canucks are stuck with it no matter what but the longer they keep him the more it will be).
Yea and if you'd actually take the time to do the math you'd realize it wouldn't be $5.3M. Never said there wouldn't be a cap penalty for the Canucks, but it wouldn't be $5.3M.

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So about that ignorance.
Yes, indeed, ignorance again.

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April fools?

And who cares what the number is. What team is going to want to give up an asset then possibly incur a cap penalty for a G who has been meh?

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A few games of success and Leaf fans are already preaching as if James Reimer is the second coming of Patrick Roy

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03-31-2013, 10:14 PM
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[QUOTE=Peter Griffin;62894009]Yea and if you'd actually take the time to do the math you'd realize it wouldn't be $5.3M. Never said there wouldn't be a cap penalty for the Canucks.

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Yes, indeed, ignorance again.
Of course. You said nothing bout that, you simply mentioned that because its not a 35+ contract it doesn't matter.

So either you didn't know the rules either and were going by the old rules of 35+ contracts, or you simply said something completely irrelevant trying to come off smart but just ended up being snide.

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Any other Leafs fans feel like it's entirely possible that Dave Nonis brings in Roberto if the price is reasonable?

If, for example, Nonis brings in a replacement (Roy) for Bozak on the first line and ships Bozak to Vancouver for Luongo, would that be too big of a change before the playoffs?

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03-31-2013, 10:16 PM
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Flames offer you Babchuk. That's all i would be willing to give up for Luo.
I don't think we would trade him inside the division. Especially for Babchuk. Lol

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and why the hell did Vancouver give a goalie a contract that long? Did they not learn anything from the Islanders? Stupidity at it's finest...
Well at the time Luongo was arguablly the best goalie in the world, definetly top 3.

He was the face of our franchise and Schneider really had no relevance in terms of challenging that. Plus adding those years allowed cap flexability (since his cap hit would only be 5.3) Which actually has been a huge positive for us over the last few years.

But no doubt it is still bad. If it was say even 2-4 years less it would be fine IMO, but whatever. That's the way it goes right. Hindsight is 20-20.

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I thought all frontloaded deals could have dead cap space no matter if 35+ or not?
Yeah but not the full cap hit, there is a formula on how it works out based on actual pay and time left on the deal or something like that.

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13-4-4 .920 save % as the 2nd youngest starter in the league..... I wouldnt do it either.
Small Sample size, I think this has already been covered. Luongo is the better goalie.

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A few games of success and Leaf fans are already preaching as if James Reimer is the second coming of Patrick Roy
Must be doing something right, the Leafs have the same amount of points as the Canucks and their Hall of Fame goaltending.

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Huge mistake by Gillis wow. I thought he was a great GM.

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A few games of success and Leaf fans are already preaching as if James Reimer is the second coming of Patrick Roy
We're not. But, Reimer has shown before he was capable of being an NHL starter. Then the next year came along and he was concussed. A year later he's playing exactly the way he does before he was concussed.

By no means does that mean Reimer will be a top whatever goaltender. All it means is that he's playing extremely well and there is simply no need to rid ourselves of trade assets for a position that right now, we have no need for. Especially when you consider the TERM of Luongo's deal.

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