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03-31-2013, 10:16 PM
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I'm damn curious as to who the teams are, that's for sure.
B.S, just trying to drive the price up

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03-31-2013, 10:17 PM
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With all the media hype, I wonder what 2013 will be remembered as:

The year of the lockout?
The year X won the cup?
The year Luongo was traded?

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A few games of success and Leaf fans are already preaching as if James Reimer is the second coming of Patrick Roy
The leafs havent made the playoffs in a long time. The Leaf fans are long overdue for some gloating. Let em enjoy it .

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Leafs wont make a play for Luongo... Reimer is killing it!

IF Gillis has buyers there are 4 teams max...

Isles, Tampa, Edmonton and Columbus.

Isles - Wang + Snow... enough said.

Tampa - Stevy Y knows his achilles heel all year has been poor goaltending and he won a gold medal with Lu. Lu would also LOVE to go there for many obvious reasons.

Edmonton - If they are going to take the next step they need a tender that can win them games when the offense isn't there. Gillis would only deal Lu to them as a last resort though because of the whole inner conference thing.

Columbus - My "wild card" team.. They are moving to the East next year and are in the mix to make the PO's this year. Maybe they try and swing for the fences.

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Of course. You said nothing bout that, you simply mentioned that because its not a 35+ contract it doesn't matter.

So either you didn't know the rules either and were going by the old rules of 35+ contracts, or you simply said something completely irrelevant trying to come off smart but just ended up being snide.
No, I said since it's not a 35+ contract it won't follow the rules of a 35+ contract so it wouldn't be a full cap penalty, ie: $5.3M. Try to keep up. I know you tried to one up me and it made you look foolish, but just admit you were wrong and move on.

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03-31-2013, 10:19 PM
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Let me give this a try...

To Vancouver
Frans Nielsen (Great 3rd line center)
John Persson (Decent LW prospect something the Canucks desperately need)
2nd Round Pick (Turns into a 3rd if it's a top 45 pick)

To NYI
Roberto Luongo
Mason Raymond

Isles could use a goalie but losing Nielsen (who is a big part of their team) might not be worth it.

That's why I'm not a GM derp.
Not that bad of an offer.
The NYI wont reaquire Luongo though. But If they did who gets Nabokov?

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Whoever offered Booth in a proposal isn't up on current events. He's been moved to LTIR. He can't be traded.

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Out of all this I do find it funny how Canucks get flack for abusing the media and drumming up value. Maple Leafs have been using the media to drum down the value just as much if not more.

End of the day I think most Canuck fans and Maple Leaf fans cant wait for April 3rd to be over with. No more forcing each other to take crappy deals.
Yeah I know. I thought it was a two-way street. I guess not.

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April fools?

And who cares what the number is. What team is going to want to give up an asset then possibly incur a cap penalty for a G who has been meh?
A team that realizes they can buy him out near the end of the contract when the actual salary trends down. or they could trade him to a cap floor team, they would actually value having that extra cap hit and you could probably get somewhat of an asset back.

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Lets be honest here, Luongo is definitely the better goalie right now. Over reimer. In the years to come, who knows. Thus i wouldnt give up a boat load for him.

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I don't think we would trade him inside the division. Especially for Babchuk. Lol



Well at the time Luongo was arguablly the best goalie in the world, definetly top 3.

He was the face of our franchise and Schneider really had no relevance in terms of challenging that. Plus adding those years allowed cap flexability (since his cap hit would only be 5.3) Which actually has been a huge positive for us over the last few years.

But no doubt it is still bad. If it was say even 2-4 years less it would be fine IMO, but whatever. That's the way it goes right. Hindsight is 20-20.



Yeah but not the full cap hit, there is a formula on how it works out based on actual pay and time left on the deal or something like that.



Small Sample size, I think this has already been covered. Luongo is the better goalie.
Reimer is 8 years younger than Luongo and has better stats this year....

Sure, Lu may possibly be better now (debatable) but that contract is horrid and Reimer is playing great for us.
No need to give up our current #1, and future #1 for a lateral move.
Once Lu starts falling off, Reimer will be entering his prime.

But "I must not be serious again : "

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I doubt Philly is a suitor. They would have to buyout Bryz's contract which would probably be a $5M penalty.

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With all the media hype, I wonder what 2013 will be remembered as:

The year of the lockout?
The year X won the cup?
The year Luongo was traded?
I think you meant "One of the years Luongo was traded".

I would not be shocked to see Luongo finish his decade contract with the Canucks. I'm not sold that there will be another GM willing to bail you out of that contract.

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Touting Reimer's stats over Luongos is a ******** example of small sample size. I'm surprised anyone is even going there.

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03-31-2013, 10:23 PM
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Must be doing something right, the Leafs have the same amount of points as the Canucks and their Hall of Fame goaltending.
When was the last time Leafs were in a playoff position with 12 games left in a (half) season? By golly gee plan the parade!

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No, I said since it's not a 35+ contract it won't follow the rules of a 35+ contract so it wouldn't be a full cap penalty, ie: $5.3M. Try to keep up. I know you tried to one up me and it made you look foolish, but just admit you were wrong and move on.
That's not what you said and ill stick with exactly what I said before thanks.

Tell me where in this quote you said anything expounding like you claim you did:


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It won't, he's not a 35+ contract. The ignorance of some people...

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Tampa Bay
Roberto Luongo
David Booth

Vancover
Teddy Purcell
Mathieu Garon
Nate Thompson
Matthias Ohlund (salary/retire as a Canuck purposes)
Tampa Bay did not just resign both Purcell and Thompson only to trade them for a bad contract In Luongo. SFY would never do that, And besides Booth Is Injured and out for the rest of the season Why would Tampa Bay want him You can have Mattias Ohlund he does us no good that way he can retire a Canuck better to have on the Canucks LTIR then Tampa Bays.

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Again, see my post above. He's not entirely wrong.

In fact, it's called the Luongo Rule.
I know, but it works out to somewhere between 1-2 million (or somewhere in the ballpark, depending when he retiress, etc).

But to say a team will have to eat a 5.3 million cap penalty every year after hes retired is just wrong.

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Touting Reimer's stats over Luongos is a ******** example of small sample size. I'm surprised anyone is even going there.
A leaf having a good season!???!?!!!

Must be a small sample size!


A canuck having a good season!???!?!!!

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...php?p=62759213

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I'm damn curious as to who the teams are, that's for sure.
The KHL called. I hope Luongo enjoys vodka.

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I'm going to laugh at whatever team gives up significant assets for Roberto Luongo.

I personally think he's a great goalie, but a 34 year old goaltender with 9 years remaining on a contract that carries a 5.3M cap hit is an albatross! If he was signed to Ryan Miller's contract (that ends after the 13/14 season) it would be a different story, but a 5.3M cap hit at age 43..

With a falling cap, the Canucks will be in cap-hell this offseason and there is absolutely no way they enter the 13/14 season with 9.3M (12% of the cap) committed to two goaltenders. I love that teams have been holding out and waiting for Vancouver GM Mike Gillis to fold and admit that this trade will follow along the same lines as the Brian Campbell deal made last offseason. Campbell, like Luongo was a talented player with a ridiculous contract making him a cap dump, nothing more, nothing less.

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A leaf having a good season!???!?!!!

Must be a small sample size!


A canuck having a good season!???!?!!!

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...php?p=62759213
Schneider has actually had multiple good seasons and has dominated every level of hockey he's ever played in

But feel free to try again

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That's not what you said and ill stick with exactly what I said before thanks.

Tell me where in this quote you said anything expounding like you claim you did:
Didn't think I had to dumb it down for people and explain why Luongo wouldn't carry a $5.3M cap hit when he retires, figured saying he's not a 35+ contract was sufficient. Guess I was wrong, some people do need things to be spelled out for them...

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Reimer is 8 years younger than Luongo and has better stats this year....

Sure, Lu may possibly be better now (debatable) but that contract is horrid and Reimer is playing great for us.
No need to give up our current #1, and future #1 for a lateral move.
Once Lu starts falling off, Reimer will be entering his prime.

But "I must not be serious again : "
There you have found the flaw in your argument. Luongo is a generational talent. These types of players generally have longer shelf lifes than the average joe. (even if they are a good joe) add on to that the fact goaltenders generally have a longer prime anyways.

Luongo is better than Riemer right now, it isn't a debate. Even if you don't want Luongo, he is the better goalie. saying otherwise is homerish to the extreme.

And I wouldn't put all my chips in an unproven James Riemer, he may be a starter, and more power to him, but goaltenders do have one hit wonder years, a few years back Alex Auld had a pretty good season for us, was young and looked like he was coming into his own as a starter, won team MVP. Then we traded him for Luongo and he never was able to build on that success.

And just going back to your stats this year argument for a second. Take away Luongo's bad game against Detroit and his SV% is the same. Just goes to show how stats can't be leaned on as the be all and end all.

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Almost a year after getting eliminated in the first round and we're now past the tire kicking stage. Brace yourselves!

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Lol Gills is going to crash the car that's going beyond tire kicking.

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