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04-24-2013, 06:21 PM
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I wonder how many here saw Tim Kerr play much less have a clue as to who he is....
Probably a few here, I don't know the age group. I remember him real well.

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04-24-2013, 06:24 PM
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tell you what, ccf. i will let you guys hate on mcphee and keep the conversation to yourself. who needs a difference of opintion.

A difference of opinion is welcomed. It's the silly contrarian position you take to anything critical of the team, all lobbed from your perch high atop the fence you're usually riding that bothers me.

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04-24-2013, 06:52 PM
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Just found a bit of a bummer for #Caps fans - Jeff Schultz cannot be given a compliance buyout, as he makes less than $3m per season.
So can he just be bought out the old fashioned way? Or waived?

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04-24-2013, 07:09 PM
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of course you would. you would pay one player the 3rd line salary and then hire three league minimum rejects like volpatti for your 3rd line.
I'd rather have Suter and a crap third line than $7.5 million worth of third line wingers.

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04-24-2013, 07:28 PM
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I'd rather have Suter and a crap third line than $7.5 million worth of third line wingers.
i am sure you mean this in general terms. specifically, suter had no interest in anyone but the wild. btw....are you ok with a 13 year $98m contract?

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04-24-2013, 07:30 PM
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So can he just be bought out the old fashioned way? Or waived?
Compliance buyouts follow the same formula as ordinary-course buyouts either 1/3 or 2/3 of actual salary depending on age but do not count against the cap.

Basically Buying out Jeff Schultz is going to hurt the Cap until the period of time his contract ends. That is a huge bummer .


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04-24-2013, 07:36 PM
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i am sure you mean this in general terms. specifically, suter had no interest in anyone but the wild. btw....are you ok with a 13 year $98m contract?
No way, it might impede our ability to sign 3rd liners for more than they're worth

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04-24-2013, 07:37 PM
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Then it's not going to happen. The cap savings are the only benefit, and $1.325M isn't enough to warrant that buyout.

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04-24-2013, 07:42 PM
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i am sure you mean this in general terms. specifically, suter had no interest in anyone but the wild. btw....are you ok with a 13 year $98m contract?
Yes. I would rather pay a #1 dman $100 million over a dozen years than give that amount to third liners over the same time period.

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04-24-2013, 07:42 PM
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as we have seen laich pick up different roles including playing 20 minutes on defense as a result of injuries that they do use the skills that laich brings.

on the main level. they pay him for the ability to play 1st pp and 1st pk unit minutes. thats a fairly rare ability. the coaches have used other pp unit players on the pk like backstrom and johansson, but laich has been among their best penalty killers.

you actually think his ability to play center and both wings is bad?
You realize Boyd Gordon could do most of those things, some (like faceoffs, PK or pure ES shutdown role) better than Laich? Especially now that Laich no longer has a primary PP role. Who knows, he could probably pull his own as a Hillen/Olesky level defender if put on the spot, it's just that he never got a chance to showcase himself there.

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i am not sure i get your beef. his ability to do multiple things means that the caps can use an accomplished multi dimensional player in a role that other teams are using a low rent one dimensional player in or an ahl lifer as a callup.
Laich plays role A. We have an injury at role B. Laich is playing role B... so who is playing role A? Did Brooks Laich clone himself? Did we roll with one less roster player? No, someone else is playing role A, and by definition that someone else is filler/secondary option. So in actuality the difference between us and other teams is much smaller than your project, if there is any. Other than the fact that we get to grossly overpay for a guy to fill in for filler... while being replaced by filler himself.

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04-24-2013, 07:44 PM
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750k goes against the cap for the 2013-14 season and 1m for the 2014-15 season if Schultz is bought out.

http://www.capgeek.com/buyout-calcul...06&buyout_d=15

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04-24-2013, 07:45 PM
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Then it's not going to happen. The cap savings are the only benefit, and $1.325M isn't enough to warrant that buyout.
he'd be paid 900k a year for 2 years would he not.

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04-24-2013, 07:55 PM
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They better hope someone claims him on waivers. There's also still some small possibility he could get a low draft pick.

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04-24-2013, 07:57 PM
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sounds like it would be better for caps to find a way to trade him for a bag of pucks

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The 3 mil limit only applied to the early buyouts that happened before the season started. I think it might also come into play depending on when the player was added to your roster, though I thought in that case it worked in reverse (had to be on reserve list as of the TDL to be eligible for a compliance buyout in the offseason if making more than 3 mil), but I may just be imagining that part.

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04-24-2013, 08:41 PM
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You gotta believe BB would want him in Ana, no?

Please?

Bueller?

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04-24-2013, 08:48 PM
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You gotta believe BB would want him in Ana, no?

Please?

Bueller?
They already have sarge Bryan Allen

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04-24-2013, 09:21 PM
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Still think when the Forsberg for Erat and Latta deal was being made, GMGM for giving up a highly valued prospect as Forsberg should have made it contingent upon Poille also having to take on the Schultz contract due to the size of the Erat contract. I think Poille would have taken Schultz for a year as long as he was getting Forsberg.

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04-25-2013, 12:20 AM
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Fehr and Volpatti re-signed 2 more years. 1,5M and ~600K respectively.

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During the Ordinary Course “Buy-Out” periods following the 2012/13 season and 2013/14 season, in addition to any other Ordinary Course “Buy-Outs” a Club may elect to effectuate pursuant to Paragraph 13 of the SPC, Clubs may elect to terminate and “buy-out” the already existing SPCs of up to two (2) additional Players (in the aggregate over the two (2) years) on a Compliance basis (a “Compliance Buy-Out”). Such Compliance Buy-Out(s) would be effectuated on the same terms as are set forth in Paragraph 13 of the SPC, except that the amounts paid under such “buy-out(s)” will not be charged against the Club’s Cap in any of the years in which the payments are made to the Player. Amounts paid under such Compliance Buy-Out(s) will, however, be counted against the Players’ Share during any League Year in which the “buy-out” payments are made. A Player that has been bought out under these Compliance Buy-Out provisions shall be prohibited from re-joining the Club that bought him out (via re-signing, Assignment, Waiver claim or otherwise) for the duration of the 2013/14 League Year (if the Player was bought out in 2013) and the 2014/15 League Year (if the Player was bought out in 2014).
From CBA summary of terms http://nbcprohockeytalk.files.wordpr...an-12-2013.pdf
No mention of three million. As sk84fun_dc pointed out on twitter, this clause only applies to the buyouts completed under the special clause that was an addition to CBA and allowed teams to get rid of Redden/Gomez.


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As much as I hate it, Caps should go with the 8D next year.

Alzner - Green
Erskine - Carlson
Hillen - Oleksy
Orlov - Kundratek

3rd/4th pairings are interchangable.

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04-25-2013, 04:26 AM
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As much as I hate it, Caps should go with the 8D next year.

Alzner - Green
Erskine - Carlson
Hillen - Oleksy
Orlov - Kundratek

3rd/4th pairings are interchangable.
yea that is a deep defense. i wonder how much an orlov + kundratek package could get us

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yea that is a deep defense. i wonder how much an orlov + kundratek package could get us
By the way, I could see Oates using 'placeholders' (Brouillette, maybe Poti signed for cheap) to sit in the press box. If someone gets hurt, Orlov/Kundy/Schmidt/whoever gets re-called.

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Still think when the Forsberg for Erat and Latta deal was being made, GMGM for giving up a highly valued prospect as Forsberg should have made it contingent upon Poille also having to take on the Schultz contract due to the size of the Erat contract. I think Poille would have taken Schultz for a year as long as he was getting Forsberg.
nashville is one of the most frugal teams in the league. poile doesnt take salary dumps. if you are saying you would rather not have done the deal, thats fine. forcinc schultz would have killed it. if you think poile would have done it, then i think you should reconsider that.

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I think George insisted on Latta added to the deal knowing Hendricks is not likely to be signed for next year

I wonder if Ward as a RH shot makes him expendable over Chimera, that does bring that extra toughness. We should have 2 right twigs ready to graduate next year. Ward could be traded more likely than Chimera, I would think.

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