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[DAL/VAN] Derek Roy to Vancouver for 2nd + Kevin Connauton

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04-02-2013, 01:29 PM
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well it can be considered a bad year the the repeating president trophy winners. I would say we have been a little spoiled with a good team the last couple of years where anything short of a cup is failure. where as other teams I won't name here think its a banner year if they make the playoffs.
True but you can't expect a 3-peat president trophy team. Other teams get better,stronger and faster. And some teams go on streaks like Chicago.

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Allows Kesler to play 3C or 2nd line Wing...

If hes at 3C, hell have Hansen and Higgins on the wing, which would be a very dangerous line.
Never in a million years will that happen in the playoffs.

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04-02-2013, 01:30 PM
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Then we downgrade from Roy to someone else.
We just don't have the money. I prefer strong center depth.
Higgins can be a 20 goal guy, Hansen can be a 20 goal guy. You count on one of the kids to break out and become a decent producer. You let Roy man the 2nd PP unit and play him and Kesler together if you need an extra jolt sometimes mid-game. Add a winger at the deadline and hope for the best.
I wouldn't mind dealing Schroeder for someone like Vrbata. or a 2nd + 3rd and a spect.

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Never in a million years will that happen in the playoffs.
I could see it with him playing 1st PP and 1st PK minutes. Obviously, 2nd line minutes ES are more likely, though.

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I could see it with him playing 1st PP and 1st PK minutes. Obviously, 2nd line minutes ES are more likely, though.
Hansen and Higgins are a better fit than Raymond + Roy. Raymond is a shooter and so is Kesler. Maybe Roy Booth Kesler would work.

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Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Burrows - Roy - Kesler
Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen
Ebbett - Lapierre - Weise

Pretty good

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Never in a million years will that happen in the playoffs.
If we keep Roy, I think we're looking at more of a:

1: Sedins and winger
2A: Kesler and whoever
2B: Roy and whoever
4: Lappy and whoever

1st line at 19 minutes
2A & 2B at 17-18ish each
4 whatever's leftover.

Minutes will get juggled around w/r/t PK and PP time, and like I said, load up a Roy-Kesler pairing when need be.

I think the nucks are better served having that center depth rather than an improved winger position. Obviously both would be nice but WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. That's why you add at the next deadline.

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Nieuwendyk would've been better off just hanging on to Ott and Pardy instead of acquiring Roy.

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I could see it with him playing 1st PP and 1st PK minutes. Obviously, 2nd line minutes ES are more likely, though.
Kesler plays 1st line PP, PK and 2nd line when he is healthy. No reason not to, especially in the playoffs where he has proven he can step it up to another level.

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Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Burrows - Roy - Kesler
Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen
Ebbett - Lapierre - Weise

Pretty good
can't see having roy and kesler on the same line when you have been crying for centers all year. makes no sense to have him at wing. pp and key faceoffs are when you need to centers on the ice. I like Schoeder and the way he dishes the puck but not sold on him being a go to center men this year.

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If we keep Roy, I think we're looking at more of a:

1: Sedins and winger
2A: Kesler and whoever
2B: Roy and whoever
4: Lappy and whoever

1st line at 19 minutes
2A & 2B at 17-18ish each
4 whatever's leftover.

Minutes will get juggled around w/r/t PK and PP time, and like I said, load up a Roy-Kesler pairing when need be.

I think the nucks are better served having that center depth rather than an improved winger position. Obviously both would be nice but WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. That's why you add at the next deadline.
I think Roy will play 2C and Kesler 3C or 2nd Line Winger. Play those tough minuets have taken a toll on his body and moving him to the wing would lessen it or even play him behind Roy would be fine as hell get a ton of PP/PK time anyways.

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Canucks needed a win in a trade badly
Canucks didnt win this trade. PURE rental, we have 0 cap to sign him next year.

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If we keep Roy, I think we're looking at more of a:

1: Sedins and winger
2A: Kesler and whoever
2B: Roy and whoever
4: Lappy and whoever

1st line at 19 minutes
2A & 2B at 17-18ish each
4 whatever's leftover.

Minutes will get juggled around w/r/t PK and PP time, and like I said, load up a Roy-Kesler pairing when need be.

I think the nucks are better served having that center depth rather than an improved winger position. Obviously both would be nice but WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. That's why you add at the next deadline.
There is still room to add another center that would be ideal for the 3rd line. Even if not, a Schroeder/Raymond/Hansen 3rd line wouldn't be so bad if we have 2 very good lines and a 4th line with toughness.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Higgins - Roy - Kesler
Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen
Weise - Lapierre - Pinnozotto/Sestito

That is without factoring in Kassian, if he finds his confidence in the AHL he could factor into the line-up somewhere.

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Never in a million years will that happen in the playoffs.
why not?

He'll go up against first lines and play first unit PP where he gets a large amount of his goals anyway.

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Not really convinced Connauton can be a day to day NHLer, but he has enough offensive tools that it's worth Dallas taking a flyer on him.

Like the trade, especially if we reacquire a pick with the Luongo trade.

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Canucks didnt win this trade. PURE rental, we have 0 cap to sign him next year.
All true. We still won the trade.

Connauton was working his way down the defensive prospect list, and a 2nd rounder is standard trade deadline fodder.

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04-02-2013, 01:43 PM
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Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Burrows - Roy - Kesler
Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen
Ebbett - Lapierre - Weise

Pretty good
RIP Chris Higgins

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why not?

He'll go up against first lines and play first unit PP where he gets a large amount of his goals anyway.
Because he is not a 3rd line player. Pretty simple.

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04-02-2013, 01:45 PM
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I think Roy will play 2C and Kesler 3C or 2nd Line Winger. Play those tough minuets have taken a toll on his body and moving him to the wing would lessen it or even play him behind Roy would be fine as hell get a ton of PP/PK time anyways.
I think line numbers are less important than people make them out to be.
Minutes and quality of minutes are more important.
I think you NEED Kesler to play those tough minutes, and you need to give him the linemates to help with that heavy workload - Higgins and Hansen. He still plays top PP, and I'd personally drop him down the PK lineup as much as possible. Hansen, Burrows, Lappy, Higgins, Raymond (if he stays) have all shown the ability to be excellent PKers, and are all less important to other facets of the team game. Burrows has also shown the ability to play center decently.

Burrows-Hansen
Lappy-Raymond (or Higgins)

Roy takes easier minutes and matchups with offensively minded linemates. PP2 and odd PK.
Kesler takes hard ES minutes with two-way linemates. PP1 and PK2 when needed.

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Good deal for the nucks. I wonder why Chicago and Anaheim didn't want to pay this price.

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Roy: Kassian offered Roy the #9 jersey but he "won't take it because he's a good kid". Roy will still "pondering" between a few numbers

Roy has worn #9 his entire NHL career, but also wore 15 and 21 in the AHL.

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Because he is not a 3rd line player. Pretty simple.
Kesler's a much better fit on the third line than Roy. I'm sure that's where he's going to play.

But who knows with AV.

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Canucks didnt win this trade. PURE rental, we have 0 cap to sign him next year.
This is so dumb.

Buyout ballard + booth trade luongo.

ohh loook there is cap

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Because he is not a 3rd line player. Pretty simple.
Line numbers aren't important.

MINUTES and QUALITY of minutes are important.
Kesler at 17-18 minutes a night, playing hard ES minutes and top PP, some PK is good for this team.
Roy at 17-18 minutes a night, playing easier ES, 2nd PP, is good for this team.

Who cares who's second line, and who's third line? Minutes would be similar, and you could stack up Roy-Kesler when you needed the offensive punch.

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Good deal for the nucks. I wonder why Chicago and Anaheim didn't want to pay this price.
It's Derek Roy

The only team who could actually WANT him are the Canucks, I mean they have Kesler as the biggest diver in the NHL and now Roy!

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