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04-02-2013, 05:07 PM
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Holy ****...

I don't think it matters who we have as GM. People are gonna ***** every time another team makes a trade the posters wish we had made. I don't think Stan gets to know what every other team is bidding for these trades to try and beat them. Even if he did, we don't know what Dallas would have wanted to beat the Vancouver offer. Maybe they wanted our first (since we didn't have the second) and McNeil. I really don't know. I'm sad we didn't pick up Roy either, but I'm not going to overreact to a huge degree because I don't know what happened. I know jack ****. I think Bowman has done a good job overall so far, and the fact that he hasn't made a big deadline move during his tenure doesn't change that.

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Point of story is lets see this playoff run through before we deem this season a "failure"

Game Recap from Blue Jackets game if you care to read it.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nhl/recap?gameId=300325029
Cristobal Huet was a failure just like Chris Campoli.

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So, we wouldn't have won with Vokoun in net. Niemi was clutch but what was his save % again in the cup run?
Point being people used that game to validate their criticism of Bowman for not obtaining a goalie. If I remember correctly the Hawks had a bad March and giving up 8 goals to the Blue Jackets just reinforced their belief that our goalie tandem couldn't get the job done. It doesn't matter what Niemi's save % was in the playoffs, he got the job done and they won the cup. Lets see how things turn out this year before we make conclusions about the team.

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Yep, now, ask yourself: has Quenneville been playing the matchup game or has he been rolling four lines this year?

He's been rolling four lines. It's the other benches job to exploit the weaknesses. Kane/Sharp aren't checking wingers and Bolland can't dominate puck possession as a 2C.
They seem to be rolling 4 lines, for the most part, but to be honest I haven't paid any attention to matchups one way or another. Obviously Kane isn't a checking winger, but you could make an argument for Sharp (he is, after all, a quality defensive forward) and I could see why Q would want Bolland out there, despite having Kane on his wing (who'd drive puck possession against the other teams top lines, while not being strong defensively, would help Bolland out).

If the stats say Bolland faces the toughest competition, than it doesn't sound as bad when you say his shot for/against is negative. While not a good thing, it's certainly not terrible and obviously, Kane's still be able to produce.

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Cristobal Huet was a failure just like Chris Campoli.
The fact we stuck with Huet/Niemi when a proven #1 like Vokoun was available was a perceived huge gamble at the time.

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Holy ****...

I don't think it matters who we have as GM. People are gonna ***** every time another team makes a trade the posters wish we had made. I don't think Stan gets to know what every other team is bidding for these trades to try and beat them. Even if he did, we don't know what Dallas would have wanted to beat the Vancouver offer. Maybe they wanted our first (since we didn't have the second) and McNeil. I really don't know. I'm sad we didn't pick up Roy either, but I'm not going to overreact to a huge degree because I don't know what happened. I know jack ****. I think Bowman has done a good job overall so far, and the fact that he hasn't made a big deadline move during his tenure doesn't change that.
Now, would you describe yourself as a Bowman apologist? If not, you win.

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Point being people used that game to validate their criticism of Bowman for not obtaining a goalie. If I remember correctly the Hawks had a bad March and giving up 8 goals to the Blue Jackets just reinforced their belief that our goalie tandem couldn't get the job done. It doesn't matter what Niemi's save % was in the playoffs, he got the job done and they won the cup. Lets see how things turn out this year before we make conclusions about the team.
I think some of the criticism about fixing holes is in order, sure, you can win it all in spite of holes but in hindsight I'm not sure how fixing those holes could have hurt. Put Vokoun in net against the Yotes last season and see what happens....

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Ladd deal is looking real bad right now ,, Clendening only hope to salvage that
None of those purge trades look great right now, but Bowman's hands were tied since he needed to clean up Tallon's mess. Hard to fault him too much given the circumstances.

Plus, I like Clendening. I think him and TT are both going to be great PP point men for the Hawks in two years.

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3 cheap scrub dmen have been traded
Montador is better than three scrub defenseman.

Stan Bowman has not acquired a bona fide second line center.

Stan Bowman has not unloaded one overpaid player on the Blackhawks payroll.

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Montador is better than three scrub defenseman.

Stan Bowman has not acquired a bona fide second line center.

Stan Bowman has not unloaded one overpaid player on the Blackhawks payroll.
The point is no one will trade for Monty with that contract/concussions

The 3 guys moved today are cheap non longterm committment

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Montador is better than three scrub defenseman.

Stan Bowman has not acquired a bona fide second line center.

Stan Bowman has not unloaded one overpaid player on the Blackhawks payroll.
Montador has term and a significant caphit. No one expects him to be moved in-season, or at all. Olesz and him will likely be bought out.

Michael Frolik's been contributing to the team. He's not being moved unless Chicago can improve upon him.

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I think some of the criticism about fixing holes is in order, sure, you can win it all in spite of holes but in hindsight I'm not sure how fixing those holes could have hurt. Put Vokoun in net against the Yotes last season and see what happens....
My belief is that the players that are truly worth putting up substantial money for Bowman has pursued them as hard as he could. I'm not gonna fault him for dealing with GM's that find a way to suck overpayments from other desperate GM's for certain players. I don't mind the route he's taking in terms of building internally and finding players from outside the organization that make sense. Let the team climb the mountain like the 2010 team did.

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Montador is better than three scrub defenseman.

Stan Bowman has not acquired a bona fide second line center.

Stan Bowman has not unloaded one overpaid player on the Blackhawks payroll.
Brian Campbell???

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They seem to be rolling 4 lines, for the most part, but to be honest I haven't paid any attention to matchups one way or another. Obviously Kane isn't a checking winger, but you could make an argument for Sharp (he is, after all, a quality defensive forward) and I could see why Q would want Bolland out there, despite having Kane on his wing (who'd drive puck possession against the other teams top lines, while not being strong defensively, would help Bolland out).

If the stats say Bolland faces the toughest competition, than it doesn't sound as bad when you say his shot for/against is negative. While not a good thing, it's certainly not terrible and obviously, Kane's still be able to produce.
Right, but the stats say he's facing the toughest competition and Hawk's fans know Q is no longer using him as a shutdown center. He's rolling the lines and the other bench is choosing to put up good players against the Bolland line for a reason. Kane is Kane. Sharp is good defensively but not a shutdown guy in the traditional sense at all.

The best defense is staying in the other zone and I think we can all agree on this:

1. Bolland hasn't been a force at all at cycling the puck down low.

2. Bolland hasn't been a force at gumming up the neutral zone and forcing turnovers.

3. Bolland hasn't been effective at the transition game.

4. Bolland hasn't been converting on opportunities provided by Kane and Sharp.

Those are all, in my opinion, things every 2C needs to be good at.

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Montador has term and a significant caphit. No one expects him to be moved in-season, or at all. Olesz and him will likely be bought out.

Michael Frolik's been contributing to the team. He's not being moved unless Chicago can improve upon him.
To Detroit:

Steve Montador
Michael Frolik
Viktor Stalberg

To Chicago:

Valtteri Filppula

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Brian Campbell???
I'm talking about this year's trade deadline.

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I wonder what would happen to this board if Sharp went back to centre. What would the fans of the Blackhawks then have to complain about.. the lack of LW depth?

Stalberg - Toews - Hossa
Saad - Sharp - Kane
Bickell - Bolland - Shaw
Kruger - Handsuz - Frolik

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I wonder what would happen to this board if Sharp went back to centre. What would the fans of the Blackhawks then have to complain about.. the lack of LW depth?

Stalberg - Toews - Hossa
Saad - Sharp - Kane
Bickell - Bolland - Shaw
Kruger - Handsuz - Frolik
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To Detroit:

Steve Montador
Michael Frolik
Viktor Stalberg

To Chicago:

Valtteri Filppula
Why would Detroit take on Montador's contract? Don't worry about Montador, he won't effect the team going forward.

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I wonder what would happen to this board if Sharp went back to centre. What would the fans of the Blackhawks then have to complain about.. the lack of LW depth?

Stalberg - Toews - Hossa
Saad - Sharp - Kane
Bickell - Bolland - Shaw
Kruger - Handsuz - Frolik
I wouldn't be shocked if it happened and it should be tried.

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I wouldn't be shocked if it happened and it should be tried.
I wouldn't be surprised either. Especially once the playoffs start.

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To Detroit:

Steve Montador
Michael Frolik
Viktor Stalberg

To Chicago:

Valtteri Filppula
Stalberg is playing better then Filppula and Frolik is key to Hawks PK why would Hawks move them for a guy who isn't good enough to be a C in Detroit?

And the Wings wont take Monty

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I'm talking about this year's trade deadline.

Provide an example of who they move on the active roster that is overpaid.

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Stalberg is playing better then Filppula and Frolik is key to Hawks PK why would Hawks move them for a guy who isn't good enough to be a C in Detroit?

And the Wings wont take Monty
Filppula's better than Stalberg. You put way too much stock into how a player is currently performing. You would have been all over this in the off-season.

The Wings use Filppula as a centre when Datsyuk/Zetterberg play together. When they don't, Filppula goes back to the wing because he's versatile.

He'd be a good centre in Chicago and he has experience playing with Hossa.

EDIT: I should say, you put too much stock into a players current production, not performance.

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I believe Bowman does not want to bring much of anything in.

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