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04-03-2013, 01:19 PM
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I don't really disagree with Bubba, but they were hardly moments of genius. Keeping young first pairing/line guys is kind've a no brainer.

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Bowman gave all the players on our roster a contract or signed them or traded for them. All but Bolland signed a Contract with Bowman as GM and I consider Hossa as a Bowman camp signing.

This is Bowmans team
That is bizarre thinking, Bubba. Needless to say I don't agree with your point.

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04-03-2013, 01:24 PM
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I don't really disagree with Bubba, but they were hardly moments of genius. Keeping young first pairing/line guys is kind've a no brainer.
they weren't that, true.

in the end, he wanted them to stay instead of trading him. Needless to say he showed some magic keeping Toews, Kane and Keith when the whole hockey world said we would lose one of them for sure. He also kept Sharp and Seabrook, he kept Hjalmarsson over Niemi - what was the right decision and he traded away Tallons biggest mistake that would REALLY hurt us next 3 years

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04-03-2013, 01:27 PM
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Hard to fault him.. he made 1 of the 3 trades today!

honestly, noone is getting moved

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04-03-2013, 01:29 PM
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Roy was moved yesterday as was Clowe.

still have no problem with it. Roy will end up being a UFA in the summer again. Bolland has a reputation of being good in the POs. Let's see what he can do there.

Chemistry is good and we almost have no hole on our roster...

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04-03-2013, 01:30 PM
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they weren't that, true.

in the end, he wanted them to stay instead of trading him. Needless to say he showed some magic keeping Toews, Kane and Keith when the whole hockey world said we would lose one of them for sure.
Trading a young powerforward with two cups, a talented defensively responsible second liner, a cup winning goalie, a physical freak that could play forward and defense, and a first pairing puck mover to keep that core is hardly magical.

I don't hate Bowman, but like I said, I certainly don't love him. He's been meh+. He's patient. If the young guns work out and we've got kids to plug into our top 9 with reinforcements down 290, he'll look good.

Edit: If they don't pan out and he takes a very good team that could have been elite and just continues to stand pat...

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04-03-2013, 01:57 PM
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Outside of Hossa, it's Dale's core. The tertiary pieces are all Bowman.
Bolland and Hossa are the only contracts without Bowman's name on them. If they fail it's Bowman's team, if they have success it's Bowman's team.

It's the cap era, pricing players is not to be understated.

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04-03-2013, 02:00 PM
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Bolland and Hossa are the only contracts without Bowman's name on them. If they fail it's Bowman's team, if they have success it's Bowman's team.

It's the cap era, pricing players is not to be understated.
Sure, but retaining star RFA players doesn't take much talent.

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A statement like that fails to recognize so many other players he inherited too.
I agree, Tallon inherited a plum and wasn't equipped with the understanding of the CBA or given the resources from above to make it work.

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04-03-2013, 02:07 PM
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Sure, but retaining star RFA players doesn't take much talent.
It takes far less talent to overpay like so many gms around the league do.

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04-03-2013, 02:09 PM
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They both got market value and only ate up one year of UFA. Hardly steals.

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04-03-2013, 02:19 PM
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That's the point. The window is uncertain. So we should be giving our team the best chance to win now, especially since we can acquire help without gutting our future.

Coldsteel and Chris want us to win Stanley Cups, not be the Sharks.

Edit: I also wouldn't mind winning a few more cups.
But the fact is there really is no difference. Just because the Sharks didn't win a Cup doesn't mean what they did was wrong. The Sharks consistently gave themselves a great shot in the playoffs year after year. And they still have decent team with a good future.

Selling out and going for it all in small windows is the Tallon way and just because it panned out for the Hawks, doesn't mean it is the best move. The Hawks got lucky they had an outstanding team for two years. The Sharks looked like they had an outstanding chance at a Cup in 2010. They ran into a Hawks team with a ton of confidence after dismantling the Canucks and a hot goalie in Niemi. Do people really forget that the Hawks almost lost the Cup to the Eastern Conference 8th seed???

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04-03-2013, 02:23 PM
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Sure, but this team has plenty of young pieces and moving a handful would hardly gut the team going forward.

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Sure, but this team has plenty of young pieces and moving a handful would hardly gut the team going forward.
You are assuming that the young pieces the Hawks want to move are the same ones that other teams value.

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I'm not saying they were steals. I'm saying many fans take this stuff for granted and then we see what happens with core players around the league. Doughty was a couple weeks away from a disaster in LA for example and we saw what happened with Chara, Bergeron, Kane, Keith, Toews. I'm not suggesting for a second that they couldn't have won without contracts, but I think those trends are too big to ignore.

Pricing and timing of extensions is ignored too often.

Things are pretty good because of all those little things, Chicago is on a relatively sustainable trajectory and that's no small thing. It doesn't make him great but it keeps him from being in the bottom half of league gms and that's a real good start for any organization.

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04-03-2013, 03:00 PM
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If this team goes out early in playoffs

Bowman 100% deserves blame and should be fired

Stan does nothing at trade deadline

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04-03-2013, 03:01 PM
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If this team goes out early in playoffs

Bowman 100% deserves blame and should be fired

Stan does nothing at trade deadline

Agreed. He made a VERY bold statement doing nothing. It said he thinks this team has it all and is going all the way. Now we will find out if he was right.

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04-03-2013, 03:02 PM
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And..if this team comes out boosted with confidence after no one was moved then goes on to win the cup..it's on Boman 100%.

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And..if this team comes out boosted with confidence after no one was moved then goes on to win the cup..it's on Boman 100%.
No doubt. This is all or nothing right here. I have to believe the players are pretty dejected right now though. We shouldn't hold it against them if they drop the next one.

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04-03-2013, 03:05 PM
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out of all the players moved - there is none i wanted

only one maybe was roy - so sad we missed out

noone else that would have helped this team

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04-03-2013, 03:05 PM
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No doubt. This is all or nothing right here. I have to believe the players are pretty dejected right now though. We shouldn't hold it against them if they drop the next one.
Players not performing to their potential and it's the GM's fault? Seriously?

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And..if this team comes out boosted with confidence after no one was moved then goes on to win the cup..it's on Boman 100%.
Yes

If team wins = He deserves all the praise

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04-03-2013, 03:06 PM
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Yes

If team wins = He deserves all the praise
Yeah, gotta say agreed once again on this one, could not agree more with that statement.

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Players not performing to their potential and it's the GM's fault? Seriously?
What if they just flat out get beat by one of these beastly Western teams? You can play well for the most part in a tight series and just come up a goal short. It happens. Why do you think teams load up at the trade deadline, lol.

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Yup, no denying anything that's been said in the past couple posts. If we get knocked out before the Conference Finals at the very least, everyone's going to be pointing at the fact that we didn't do anything at the trade deadline.

Let's just hope his confidence in the team is rightly placed.

Cup or bust!

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