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04-02-2013, 12:59 PM
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Moving up in the draft.

With the Flames holding 3 first round picks, what would it take to theoretically move up to a top 5 pick?

Currently we hold the 15th and 30th overall picks (our first is going nowhere). We also have some young guys that i would be willing to package.

Would Buffalo take the 30th overall pick + Beartchi for their first round (5th overall ATM)?

What about 15th + 30th + Wotherspoon?

Just curious, as i feel the Flames need to hit 2 homeruns this draft.

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04-02-2013, 01:00 PM
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I am guessing teams who pick top 5-6 will not trade those picks unless they get a young star player back

If I had to guess the value of 15th and 30th, it might move you up to 9th/10th

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04-02-2013, 01:02 PM
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The Flames?

You mean down right?

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15th + Baertschi for 5th pick

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how much further up could they possibly draft? it appears to be top 2 at this rate

package the other two (between 15-30) for something 10-15 probably.

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With the Flames holding 3 first round picks, what would it take to theoretically move up to a top 5 pick?

Currently we hold the 15th and 30th overall picks (our first is going nowhere). We also have some young guys that i would be willing to package.

Would Buffalo take the 30th overall pick + Beartchi for their first round (5th overall ATM)?

What about 15th + 30th + Wotherspoon?

Just curious, as i feel the Flames need to hit 2 homeruns this draft.
baertschi wont be traded, and we just inked wotherspoon so it is unlikely that he is moved.

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04-02-2013, 01:13 PM
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Why would you move Bart when he's an integral piece for you guys going forward?

Do whatever you can to get another high pick sure, but not at the expense of your core rebuilding pieces (Bart, Brodie, Gaudreau).

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04-02-2013, 01:17 PM
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Why would you move Bart when he's an integral piece for you guys going forward?

Do whatever you can to get another high pick sure, but not at the expense of your core rebuilding pieces (Bart, Brodie, Gaudreau).
I would move Sven at the chance to get a top 5 pick depending on who is on the board. Yea he is a great piece, but if you can get Mackinnon/Barkov with our pick and another top 5 pick... done.

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I wouldn't move Sven if you paid me.

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I'm not a Flames fan, but it would be dump to try to move up, teams are mostly build through deep pools and you will have at least one hit in this draft with your own top5 pick and it seems as your scouting staff did a nice job the last 2 drafts, so I think it would be better for you to draft as many guys as possible and hope a lot turn out and i think this is the best year to do so.
If you have seen Grigorenko and co. go that late last year, I think in a very deep year it's even a better chance to get a prized guy later, because every team has one prospect ranked better than that on guy. Not to mention, Sven is already for safe to make the NHL than any of this picks.

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Why would you move Bart when he's an integral piece for you guys going forward?

Do whatever you can to get another high pick sure, but not at the expense of your core rebuilding pieces (Bart, Brodie, Gaudreau).
Agreed. Seems like a step back.

Baertschi's value has risen since his draft, and he alone is pretty close to top 5 value now. Even a top 5 pick is going to have uncertainty. I'd rather have Baertschi, who is further along in his development.

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Better option to use the shotgun approach, take the bona-fide star with the #1/2/3 pick (wherever the Flames fall to) and hope that one or both of the other first round picks pan out as pretty good players too.

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With the Flames holding 3 first round picks, what would it take to theoretically move up to a top 5 pick?

Currently we hold the 15th and 30th overall picks (our first is going nowhere). We also have some young guys that i would be willing to package.

Would Buffalo take the 30th overall pick + Beartchi for their first round (5th overall ATM)?

What about 15th + 30th + Wotherspoon?

Just curious, as i feel the Flames need to hit 2 homeruns this draft.
If I'm Feaster, I keep my own pick and try to move down with the 15th overall pick to say, in the early 20 range.

The Flames need to retool their prospect pool, not look to give away more picks. Moving down a couple of spots would land Feaster a extra 3rd or maybe a late 2nd.

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Don't be stupid and move Baertschi.

That is shades of the people who wanted to trade our 25th pick 2 years ago + Kadri for a top 5 pick.

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I am guessing teams who pick top 5-6 will not trade those picks unless they get a young star player back

If I had to guess the value of 15th and 30th, it might move you up to 9th/10th
tend to agree with this, moving into the top-10 is really tough.

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we need as many players as we can get. chances are we get a top pick next year so lets keep our mid first picks.

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No one picking in the top 5 is going to be interested in moving all the way down to 15.

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With the Flames holding 3 first round picks, what would it take to theoretically move up to a top 5 pick?

Currently we hold the 15th and 30th overall picks (our first is going nowhere). We also have some young guys that i would be willing to package.

Would Buffalo take the 30th overall pick + Beartchi for their first round (5th overall ATM)?

What about 15th + 30th + Wotherspoon?

Just curious, as i feel the Flames need to hit 2 homeruns this draft.
Get. Out. Now. You didn't even spell his name right.

Likely, we could use the 30th + lets say...16th to move up to maybe...8-10, if a teams "guy" goes early.

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According to my draft value chart the 15 and 30 could perhaps get you to the 10th pick area. You would have to add to get into the top 5 but of course this is always variable from draft year to draft year.

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No one picking in the top 5 is going to be interested in moving all the way down to 15.
Sven Baerschi and 15 for 5? As I Sabres fan I at the very least consider it.

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Not worth it in this draft unless you're at least getting around the eighth. Considering you'll probably have somewhere around 16-20 and 27-30, you're maybe getting to the 12th.

This draft is a mix of top heavy and deep in the early rounds, once you cross the 10-12 mark you're starting to creep into the crop of players which honestly may not be much better than some of the guys drafted at 40 when all things are said and done.

Hate to say it, but if the Flames grab Barkov with the 4th, Nichuskin with the 16th (he'll drop, maybe not this far though) and one of the fallers such as perhaps Horvat? Around 29/30, they'd do far better than a Barkov/Erne draft or whoever goes at 11/12.

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04-02-2013, 03:34 PM
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Sven Baerschi and 15 for 5? As I Sabres fan I at the very least consider it.
Its the 30th pick + Sven.

15th + Sven i would need the 1st overall IMO.

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Bad trade unless you're getting Drouin/MacKinnon in a single go.

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Its the 30th pick + Sven.

15th + Sven i would need the 1st overall IMO.
No team would trade the #1 for that.

Doesn't make sense for Calgary to trade youth, anyways.

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I would move Sven at the chance to get a top 5 pick depending on who is on the board. Yea he is a great piece, but if you can get Mackinnon/Barkov with our pick and another top 5 pick... done.
I'm starting to think you're crazy. You do realize Sven lit up the WHL like no one has since Joe Sakic right? What makes you think those guys will be better than him? No way I'd move say Petan and Bartschi for Mackinnon.

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