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11-24-2013, 12:47 PM
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08-09 president trophy winning sharks compared to this year sharks

Thought on similarities and differences between the two clubs? Many believe that is the best team we have ever iced in 08. How does this team compare.? Which team do you believe is better?


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This team has better depth up front but that team had better depth on the blue line. Goaltending is probably slightly in favor of Nemo at this point.

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11-24-2013, 01:58 PM
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That team had a much better defense (our third pair was a prime Murray and Ehrhoff) but this team has much better forward depth and goaltending.

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11-24-2013, 02:07 PM
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I agree but it wasn't that much better. That D was:

Vlasic - Blake
Lukovich - Boyle
Murray - Ehrhoff

This season:

Vlasic - Boyle
Stuart - Braun
Hannan - Demers

I'll give the Vlasic (08)-Blake pairing is better than the Vlasic-Boyle pairing now.
Stuart - Braun is pretty close to Lukovich - Boyle. Boyle (08) >> Braun but Stuart > Lukovich, IMO.
I think the Murray-Ehrhoff pairing is close to Hannan-Demers. I think Demers > Ehrhoff (08) and Hannan > Murray. Hannan's positioning is vastly better than Murray's.

What is hard to gauge is Blake and Boyle (of 08) were much better than any D we have now.

That said, if we can land a 2nd pairing LHD, I think this season's D could be better.

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11-24-2013, 02:30 PM
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I agree but it wasn't that much better. That D was:

Vlasic - Blake
Lukovich - Boyle
Murray - Ehrhoff

This season:

Vlasic - Boyle
Stuart - Braun
Hannan - Demers

I'll give the Vlasic (08)-Blake pairing is better than the Vlasic-Boyle pairing now.
Stuart - Braun is pretty close to Lukovich - Boyle. Boyle (08) >> Braun but Stuart > Lukovich, IMO.
I think the Murray-Ehrhoff pairing is close to Hannan-Demers. I think Demers > Ehrhoff (08) and Hannan > Murray. Hannan's positioning is vastly better than Murray's.

What is hard to gauge is Blake and Boyle (of 08) were much better than any D we have now.

That said, if we can land a 2nd pairing LHD, I think this season's D could be better.
I disagree with Stuart being better than Lukowich. Lukowich was like Hannan when he was in the lineup. Stuart hasn't been good except for a couple games. And Demers is in no way better than Ehrhoff that year. Ehrhoff was a 40 point two-way d-man that made the power play ridiculously efficient when he stepped on the ice. Demers, right now, is a 35 point d-man that is getting better defensively but not at Ehrhoff's level that year. I can agree with Hannan over Murray and the fact that Ehrhoff carried Murray that year only lends more credibility to Ehrhoff being noticeably better, at least that year, than Demers this year.

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11-24-2013, 02:31 PM
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That team had a much better defense (our third pair was a prime Murray and Ehrhoff) but this team has much better forward depth and goaltending.

Pretty much. And that lack of offensive depth was what killed us down the stretch (including the playoffs) because once a couple of forwards got hurt we were finished. I'd sacrifice defensive depth for offensive depth any day of the week, which is why I think this this year's team will go down as the better of the two in the long run.

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11-24-2013, 02:32 PM
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Pretty much. And that lack of offensive depth was what killed us down the stretch (including the playoffs) because once a couple of forwards got hurt we were finished. I'd sacrifice defensive depth for offensive depth any day of the week, which is why I think this this year's team will go down as the better of the two in the long run.
It wasn't a couple forwards. It was about half the forward group that got hurt.

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I disagree with Stuart being better than Lukowich. Lukowich was like Hannan when he was in the lineup. Stuart hasn't been good except for a couple games. And Demers is in no way better than Ehrhoff that year. Ehrhoff was a 40 point two-way d-man that made the power play ridiculously efficient when he stepped on the ice. Demers, right now, is a 35 point d-man that is getting better defensively but not at Ehrhoff's level that year. I can agree with Hannan over Murray and the fact that Ehrhoff carried Murray that year only lends more credibility to Ehrhoff being noticeably better, at least that year, than Demers this year.
We can agree to disagree on Stuart vs. Lukovich. Stuart at least has scoring potential. Luko had 8 pts (all assists). Luko-Boyle was a good pairing due to their familiarity. I don't think Boyle-Stuart are a great pairing, nor do I think Vlasic-Boyle are either.

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It wasn't a couple forwards. It was about half the forward group that got hurt.
and part of the defensive core that got hurt. wasn't blake basically also a walking wounded?

i know the forwards,that were hurting were marleau, clowe, heatley, pavelski (i believe)

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and part of the defensive core that got hurt. wasn't blake basically also a walking wounded?

i know the forwards,that were hurting were marleau, clowe, heatley, pavelski (i believe)
Heatley wasn't on the 08-09 team was he?

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and part of the defensive core that got hurt. wasn't blake basically also a walking wounded?

i know the forwards,that were hurting were marleau, clowe, heatley, pavelski (i believe)
The President's Trophy winning team was the season before Heatley was acquired. In terms of the injuries at the time of the playoff elimination, Marleau still had his sprained knee, Nabby had a strained hip muscle, Thornton had a groin/hip flexor, Blake a foot contusion, Moen a hip contusion, Cheech had an MCL sprain, Murray had a rotator cuff strain, Pavs had a knee contusion, and Seto had a swollen Achilles' heel. To go along with all the other injuries that the team was recovering from. Guys like Grier, Roenick, Goc, Clowe, Lukowich, Plihal were all hurt or coming back...hell, Mitchell's only games were in the playoffs. There were points where their bottom six was mostly AHL callups.

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Part of the reason why the team ranked better than this year's team was they were new to TM's system as was the league. The PP was out of sight and the general offensive system was relatively new to the league. It happens all the time when some coach steps in with something new and then the rest of the league catches up.

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and part of the defensive core that got hurt. wasn't blake basically also a walking wounded?

i know the forwards,that were hurting were marleau, clowe, heatley, pavelski (i believe)
Or we talking about 08 heatley wasn't on that team

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Don't discount the defense that year.

2008 Boyle; prime means prime! Murray was also a beast that year. Ehrhoff took a major step-up in his game.

Boyle and Blake that year were probably better than any individual defenseman on the team this year. Ehrhoff was better than his 2013 counterpart Demers. Of course, Vlasic has improved modestly...2009 Murray anyday over modern Hannan/Stuart. Heck, even Lukowich that year was a solid #6-7.

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The Sharks' best defense should be their offense. Roll three scoring lines and a competent 4th line and try to spend as little time in the defensive zone as possible.

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It wasn't a couple forwards. It was about half the forward group that got hurt.

Regardless, there was very little offensive depth on that team. Our top six was great but still not as good as the current group IMO, and our bottom six was a revolving door of awful.


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Don't discount the defense that year.

2008 Boyle; prime means prime! Murray was also a beast that year. Ehrhoff took a major step-up in his game.

Boyle and Blake that year were probably better than any individual defenseman on the team this year. Ehrhoff was better than his 2013 counterpart Demers. Of course, Vlasic has improved modestly...2009 Murray anyday over modern Hannan/Stuart. Heck, even Lukowich that year was a solid #6-7.
This may be true but the team didn't have quite the defensive system like it does now.

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Regardless, there was very little offensive depth on that team. Our top six was great but still not as good as the current group IMO, and our bottom six was a revolving door of awful.
Their 3rd line that year was a shutdown line that was moderately productive and JR wasn't too shabby as a producer. They were awful and a revolving door because they all got hurt and missed significant time and never really recovered. The bottom six when healthy was a lot better defensively than this year's version.

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