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04-02-2013, 07:39 PM
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No. Absolutely not. They conserve and manage their prospects, are careful about giving up tons of picks, and draft extremely well compared to just about any GM/scouting team that is out there. They make moves that compliment the team, but they don't throw their future away for the sake of winning in one year; they've never done that. They have historically given up a few 1st rounds, but are able to make up for that by drafting a **** ton of late round gems.
4 first round picks in last 12 years

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An aspiring contender traded pick. A consistent contender keeps them.
And we still have a first round pick next year.

And every other year after that, right now.

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What place was LA in when they won the Cup last year? Take your time...
How often does the 8 seed win the Cup?

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Well he's not totally useless. He is a good 4th line center, imo. But finding a guy to replace Boyle would not be all that difficult, again just my opinion. Excuse me for implying that he had no value, that wasnt my intention Jon.
Yeah, but even if that's "not your intention," you're still perpetuating the ridiculous meme.

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anyone else annoyed that Sather/Gorton (whoever) would make this kind of move THIS year and gave us the amazing John Scott last year when we were ya know 1st in the entire NHL? smh
We obviously needed those fists of fury in the playoffs

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Absolutely love this trade.

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I'd rather have a chance at the cup. This draft is a write-off as far as I'm concerned.
This team with our without Clowe looks prime for a chance at the Cup?

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And we still have a first round pick next year.

And every other year after that, right now.
I'd rather we just traded all our first rounders for multiple later picks, given our past drafts

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An aspiring contender traded pick. A consistent contender keeps them.
That's a nifty little catch phrase you've created, but what team would that describe?

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Yeah, but even if that's "not your intention," you're still perpetuating the ridiculous meme.
You got me there. It was meant more in the context of he's a replaceable piece for this team as currently constructed, and a vauled commodity to a contender this year (which imo would have been the time to move him). Useless is Stu Bickel. I should have made a better distinction.

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The Pens have the two best players in the league who are actually playing well. You really want to compare the Pens to the Rangers?
Where did I do that? I compared what they gave up to what they got because it's part of the recent dealings that have gone on.

And, if you want to go there, the "two best players in the league" is in your opinion. I'm sure many, many fans of many, many teams would take issue with that.

I'll give you Crosby, but would I rather have the best goalie in the world or Malkin? That's tough. Toews or Malkin? Datsyuk or Malkin? Stamkos or Malkin?

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That's a nifty little catch phrase you've created, but what team would that describe?
The Red Wings, by and large. And in a salary cap world, you need to have to be able to reach into your system (for the ELC if not for trade bait).

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Yeeeeesh. Not a huge fan of this, but I'll reserve judgment till he actually plays for us...

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Red Wings.

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this team cannot score goals. this year.

this guy cannot score goals. this year.

i just dont think more of the same stuff we already have (guys who cant score) will help us change the fortunes of this team this year.

clowe is a nice piece. he brings some grit and size and toughness.... but on this team this year, that impact is minimal considering we cannot score.

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this team cannot score goals. this year.

this guy cannot score goals. this year.

i just dont think more of the same stuff we already have (guys who cant score) will help us change the fortunes of this team this year.

clowe is a nice piece. he brings some grit and size and toughness.... but on this team this year, that impact is minimal considering we cannot score.
This trade is for more than just this year.

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How often does the 8 seed win the Cup?
since the lockout the cup final has been 8 v 6, 3 v 1, 2 v 7, 4 v 2, 1 v 2, 2 v 4, 2 v 8. The 8th seed since the creation of the stanley cup has been in as many finals as a 1 seed and has won the cup as many times as the 1 seed.

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I would argue, the team lacks top players at the moment.
This team does not lack top players at this moment. This teams players are not producing. The difference is subtle but there is a difference. Clowe is a player that you want on this team. You just don't know it yet. And to get him without giving up a known asset is a good thing.

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How often does the 8 seed win the Cup?
100% of the time in the last calendar year.

Besides, our seed hasn't been set yet, so it's completely immaterial. Also, this is a hard year to judge because of the lockout. Our '94 Cup team had a losing record during the lockout shortened 94-95 season, despite having a great roster.

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Where did I do that? I compared what they gave up to what they got because it's part of the recent dealings that have gone on.
You're saying look at what the Pens did.


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I'll give you Crosby, but would I rather have the best goalie in the world or Malkin?
They won a Cup with Fleury. They could potentially win one with Vokoun

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That's tough. Toews or Malkin? Datsyuk or Malkin? Stamkos or Malkin?

Malkin X 3.

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Really interesting to hear all the opinions on this.

Don't think it's a slam dunk either way. There are risks.

But I like it.

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This trade is for more than just this year.
is it ?

you are assuming he resigns and we have the appetite to pay him what he wants at 31 and with his declining production.

weve seen this before havent we ?

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Red Wings.
They've kept their first rounder 4 times in the past 11 years.

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This team does not lack top players at this moment. This teams players are not producing.
Then they're not top player.

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Clowe is a player that you want on this team.
Can he get the alleged top players to produce? I'd like Clowe a whole lot more if they were producing.

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It's not a rental situation as has been reported.
If reports are true, it better not be for reported dollars or years.

8 years at 48M? I'll be crying in my room for a week.

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