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04-29-2013, 12:47 PM
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I'd be fine with bringing in Thomas next year if they buy Bryz out. I know hes 39 and took a year off...but he just seems like one of those freaks like Selanne, Jagr, St Louis, etc that just doesnt slow down with age. It sounds like he is highly motivated and if him and Mason can push each other...it could be good.

Vanek is tempting but I dont really see the need to trade for him with our other needs. Homer did say he wants to add size though, so it would not surprise me at all if one of Vanek, Clowe, Ryan, or Horton end up here next year.

Briere+Read+2nd+Akeson or something is about the most id give up for Vanek...and that wouldnt get it done.
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T.Thomas + Mason next year would be an amazing combo for us.

godam i hope that rumor has some basis in fact.
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Well since the season is over I figured we could bring this thread back up.

The season has been over what? 48 hours now and two rumors have popped up. Tim Thomas wanting to come here and now again with Vanek. Going to be an interesting off season, like always.
100% absolutely no interest in Tim Thomas. Not as a backup. Not as a starter. Will be 40 next year. Hasn't played hockey in a year because he didn't feel like it. If you want to take a risk on a goalie, at least go with someone that isn't a head case.

I did like his moustache though...

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If Vanek gets bought out, I'll take a stab at him once we buyout Briere.

That said, if we sign him, you almost HAVE to buyout Bryzgalov after next season to make sure you have room for the 3 golden children. Giroux will probably get 6.5m/year unless he drops another 90 next season. I could see Couturier and Schenn getting 3.5m/year each if they come close to the 50 point mark next season; 2.75m-3.00m if they fall short.
There's no way Giroux will take such a discount. It will be around $8 million AAV.

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Huge shake up :

Vanek + Myers + Miller

for

Coturier + Coburn + Bryzgalov + 1st
...and when both Vanek and Miller walk after next season?

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There's no way Giroux will take such a discount. It will be around $8 million AAV.
I don't know...

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That's the market for young PPG forwards.

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That's the market for young PPG forwards.
I think market's retarded, and I think it will go down. I consider the Getzlaf and Perry overpayments as panic signings. Besides, they were UFAs. Giroux is still an RFA.

Open market prices may be 8.0m for PPG forwards, but not the market price for a controlled asset like Giroux.

$6.50m - $7.00m is my guess.

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Dont be surprised if Flyers try an RFA offer sheet to StL' Pietrangelo this summer. After last summer, they MUST fix the defense

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Dont be surprised if Flyers try an RFA offer sheet to StL' Pietrangelo this summer. After last summer, they MUST fix the defense

Prongo excited
We won't get him.

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Dont be surprised if Flyers try an RFA offer sheet to StL' Pietrangelo this summer. After last summer, they MUST fix the defense

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Oh geez. Please, no one post that on the Trade Forum.

Shattenkirk is a far more realistic possibility for an offersheet.

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I think market's retarded, and I think it will go down. I consider the Getzlaf and Perry overpayments as panic signings. Besides, they were UFAs. Giroux is still an RFA.

Open market prices may be 8.0m for PPG forwards, but not the market price for a controlled asset like Giroux.

$6.50m - $7.00m is my guess.
Getzlaf and Perry are each also being paid for years well after their projected prime though, right?

If we get Giroux for anything less than $7 AAV, Holmgren (Snider) will have redeemed himself for the Bryzgalov fiasco.

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04-29-2013, 12:57 PM
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Oh geez. Please, no one post that on the Trade Forum.

Shattenkirk is a far more realistic possibility for an offersheet.
Too late

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Getzlaf and Perry are each also being paid for years well after their projected prime though, right?

If we get Giroux for anything less than $7 AAV, Holmgren (Snider) will have redeemed himself for the Bryzgalov fiasco.
If they sign Giroux for 8 years, $56 million they will be the envy of the league. Giroux would only be 34 when that contract ended.

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04-29-2013, 01:05 PM
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Getzlaf and Perry are each also being paid for years well after their projected prime though, right?

If we get Giroux for anything less than $7 AAV, Holmgren (Snider) will have redeemed himself for the Bryzgalov fiasco.
I could see Giroux getting...

6.00 + 7.00 + 10.00 + 10.00 + 8.00 + 6.00 + 5.00 + 5.00

That contract takes him to 33 on an 8-year deal for $57m and $7.13m/year.

I'm realizing that $6.5m/year is kind of unrealistic now, but the $7m area seems about right.

His current contract is...

2.75 + 3.50 + 5.00

...which ends after next year. So he's getting $5m in 2013-14.

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04-29-2013, 01:06 PM
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I don't know...
If Giroux gets $6.5 million, don't expect it to be too long of a contract. No way Giroux risks leaving all that money on the table.

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04-29-2013, 01:08 PM
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Id rather draft a forward at 11th then try to trade coots and whatever else for Shattenkirk.

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Dont be surprised if Flyers try an RFA offer sheet to StL' Pietrangelo this summer. After last summer, they MUST fix the defense

This is the same guy who said we should trade our first for Ryan Whitney or something blasphemous like that.

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04-29-2013, 01:19 PM
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Id rather draft a forward at 11th then try to trade coots and whatever else for Shattenkirk.
If there's an extension in place already--a sign-and-trade--then maybe, but I'd be wary of trading Couturier + for Shattenkirk's RFA rights.

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04-29-2013, 01:25 PM
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Everyone here knows my love for Peity. I understand its a long shot to happen, but don't let the blue fans fool you into thinking they will spend to the cap. The last three years the spent right around 50 million. They don't have a large budget to deal with.

I would try to work trade first though like we did with weber last year. Couts++ I would give up. Actually probably more.

Yes, I am ecstatic about this possibility

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04-29-2013, 01:28 PM
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Everyone here knows my love for Peity. I understand its a long shot to happen, but don't let the blue fans fool you into thinking they will spend to the cap. The last three years the spent right around 50 million. They don't have a large budget to deal with.

I would try to work trade first though like we did with weber last year. Couts++ I would give up. Actually probably more.

Yes, I am ecstatic about this possibility
Laughton + 11th + Coburn + Cousins

or

Couturier + 11th

or

Offersheet for $8.75m/year

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04-29-2013, 01:34 PM
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Buy out Briere and Bryz and offer sheet pietrangelo for 1 year for 12 million or something crazy. See if St. Louis can match. That what they should have done with Weber

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Their offer sheet for Weber made it so Nashville had to pay him $27 million over the first year, and $110 million overall. And they matched it.

But now you think teams will be scared by a one year, $12 million offer sheet?

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Their offer sheet for Weber made it so Nashville had to pay him $27 million over the first year, and $110 million overall. And they matched it.

But now you think teams will be scared by a one year, $12 million offer sheet?
I don't really think it will work for pieteangelo but I do think it would of worked for weber. The reason is weber would have been an UFA after that one year deal. So they would have risked paying weber 12 mil over one season, and a season that at the time wasn't known if it would be a full season or a shortened season. Then weber would have made the 12 million and been able to sign with anyone he pleased. Now they have him signed for the rest of his career.

I don't know if weber would have signed that offer sheet, but I think he would have because he would have made 12 million and the flyers could offer him the same amount as any other team the following year. Heck I'm not a CBA genius but maybe they could have even signed him to a long term extension before the lockout to give him the same kind of front loaded contract

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Buy out Briere and Bryz and offer sheet pietrangelo for 1 year for 12 million or something crazy. See if St. Louis can match. That what they should have done with Weber

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LMAO Your going to pay an RFA $12 Million for 1 year and you would barely have the cap space to do it even with Buyouts of both Briere and Bryz Your delusional good thing you not there GM.

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Yea because Holmgren has done a fantastic job. He traded all of our draft picks for years and then had to trade his two star players to reload. He then signed and above average goalie to an elite level contract to solve the goalie problem. Many around here knew it wouldn't work including myself and now he is stuck with yet another cap hit that doesn't produce as it should.

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Their offer sheet for Weber made it so Nashville had to pay him $27 million over the first year, and $110 million overall. And they matched it.

But now you think teams will be scared by a one year, $12 million offer sheet?
not that this is going to happen, but a 1 yr 12 offer basically screws up his rfa rights. Makes the QO too high and forces them to get him signed to a more palatable deal before RFA.

That said RFAs to either STL dman are just not going to work, unless you want to pay skirk north of 7+. STL probably takes 4 1st comp for him.

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