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05-20-2013, 10:51 PM
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Just finished watching Portland/London...the Max Domi debate is getting interesting...I have no clue as to what kind of pro he will turn out to be..does remind me a bit of Kadri..am I way off?

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So the latest ISS draft rankings are out...who in this list would you NOT want us to draft if they were still available at our pick?
1. SETH JONES D 6'4 208 R Oct. 3/94 Portland WHL
2. NATE MACKINNON C 6'0 182 R Sep. 1/95 Halifax QMJHL
3. JONATHAN DROUIN C 5'11 185 L Mar. 27/95 Halifax QMJHL
4. VALERY NICHUSHKIN F 6'4 196 L Mar. 4/95 Chelyabinsk RusS
5. SASHA BARKOV C 6'2 205 L Sep. 2/95 Tappara FinE
6. DARNELL NURSE D 6'4 189 L Feb. 4/95 Sault Ste. Marie OHL
7. ELIAS LINDHOLM C 6'0 181 R Dec. 2/94 Brynas SweE
8. NIKITA ZADOROV D 6'5 230 L Apr. 15/95 London OHL
9. SEAN MONAHAN C 6'2 186 L Oct. 12/94 Ottawa OHL
10. BO HORVAT C 6'0 200 L Apr. 5/95 London OHL
With this ranking the Jets might be able to get
Shinkaruk, Domi or Gauthier
Even R.R. Is available... Nice.

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05-21-2013, 09:00 AM
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With this ranking the Jets might be able to get
Shinkaruk, Domi or Gauthier
Even R.R. Is available... Nice.
Domi may be on the board. Gauthier probably will be.

Gauthier is ranked as low as an early 2nd round by some people.

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That pass Domi made last night... that's Datsyuk-like talent on the fly. Impressive. Domi's playmaking and creativity is extremely good.

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05-21-2013, 10:24 AM
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Hopefully the Red Wings can keep it up and move the Chi pick up the board a little.

If they go down the Jets would get the Chi pick at #56, right?

Random aside... I was just looking at some draft rankings and lining them up with Jets picks.

If you use the Consensus Rankings the Jets would end up with

R1 P13 - Adam Eane
R2 P13 - Justin Bailey
R2 P26 - Mirco Mueller
R2 P29 - Marko Dano

If you use Button:
R1 P13 - Alexander Wennberg
R2 P13 - Madison Bowey
R2 P26 - Wilhelm Westlund
R2 P29 - Shea Theodore

Pronman:
R1 P13 - Andre Burakowsky
R2 P13 - Marko Dano
R2 P26 - Sergei Tolchinsky
R2 P29 - Taylor Cammarata

MacKenzie:
Frederik Gauthier
Keaton Thompson
Ryan Fitzgerald
Eric Roy

The Scouting Report:
Hunter Shinkaruk
Juuso Ikonen
Ryan Fitzgerald
Jeff Corbett

There will be a number of interesting pieces in play all the way up to 59 and probably well beyond that.

Of those draft classes that consensus group would make me very very happy.

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05-21-2013, 11:22 AM
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Domi may be on the board. Gauthier probably will be.

Gauthier is ranked as low as an early 2nd round by some people.
So is Erne (ranked in 2nd rd by some). It's pretty unpredictable in terms of ranking.

At the end of the day, imo, Gauthier and Erne will go in the 12-18 range and either can go ahead of the other, based on team needs and likes. Either would likely do well with the Jets, and fill a need.

If the Jets feel Lowry can be that big C that's tough to play against down the road (in a bigger West Conference), then they may pass on Gauthier. And if they feel Erne adds grit and scoring to their RW group, then he could be their pick. Comes down to who they think is the better player for them in future.

I do think Chevy would pick Erne over a smaller guy like Shinkaruk, if given the opportunity. Erne might not score like Shinkaruk, but plays a gritter game, kinda like Dustin Brown(ish). That's a good pick too.


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The more I think about it, the less I care about who is picked, and the more I care about Chevy just being aggressive. I would be severely disappointed if he doesn't make a move up, either into the 7-8 range, or from the 2nd round into the late first. Walking away from the draft with Domi at 13 and Erne/Lazar in the 20's would be a coup.

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05-21-2013, 07:59 PM
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The more I think about it, the less I care about who is picked, and the more I care about Chevy just being aggressive. I would be severely disappointed if he doesn't make a move up, either into the 7-8 range, or from the 2nd round into the late first. Walking away from the draft with Domi at 13 and Erne/Lazar in the 20's would be a coup.
I don't know jetafan we currently have 4 picks that are higher than where we landed Lowry in 2011. If they want to trade up fine but I have know problem if they stay the course and load up with 6 top 90 picks in an alleged deep draft.

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What I was thinking could be an interesting possibility would be to stand pat and pick whoever we like most at 13 and use the two second rounders and possibly one more pick to get back up into the early 20's to grab another first rounder.

WPG 43, CHI 2nd, CHI 3rd for VAN's #24 maybe? For example, in one mock Burakowsy/Theodore/Morin/Erne/Fucale are available at 24 and in another Burakowsy/Theodore/Morin are. That way we come away with 2 first rounders, and at least a pick in every round from 3-7.

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I don't know jetafan we currently have 4 picks that are higher than where we landed Lowry in 2011. If they want to trade up fine but I have know problem if they stay the course and load up with 6 top 90 picks in an alleged deep draft.
Yep. You only trade up of a player you really covet falls. There should be a really nice player available at 43 as well as some interesting pieces at 59.

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Some of the intriguing storylines out of this mock:

- Jets (and Caps) land son of former NHL enforcers
- Leafs think they've landed a potential franchise player - many will beg to differ
- Habs hope they've landed a Ryan McDonagh clone
- Flames a potential franchise centreman, a dynamic puck-moving d-man and a speedy sniping winger
- Oilers with a mammoth blueliner with intriguing upside
- Avs: franchise blueliner or gamebreaking forward?
- Lightning: land a guy who could help Stamkos eclipse 70 goals
- Stars: land an Albertan kid who cheered for them growing up and idolized Mike Modano
- Devils with a "steal" at 9th
- Coyotes benefit from Russian factor
- Flyers think they've put Pronger and Timonen in a human blender with their selection...

Test yourself - how many of these prospects can you guess before clicking to confirm?

Link: 2013 NHL Mock Draft: The Next Ones Memorial Cup Edition

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*2013 NHL Draft Prospect Index
**2013 NHL Draft Guide: The Next Ones

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05-21-2013, 10:34 PM
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We've drafted a few beauties the last few years, so staying the course is not a bad thing. But if we could get another 1st rounder that would be great, I thought Hainsey could have landed that but that is a moot point now. If Bowey is still there at 43 then that would be a steal.

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I don't know jetafan we currently have 4 picks that are higher than where we landed Lowry in 2011. If they want to trade up fine but I have know problem if they stay the course and load up with 6 top 90 picks in an alleged deep draft.
And we have one pick above where we picked Lukas Sutter...

Lowry is an anomaly in the third round. Hell, we still don't know if he is anything yet. Getting legit core guys outside of the top 20 is rare, which is why you gotta be super aggressive to get them when you have the chance. There are more than 20 'top 20 prospects' in this draft, and I think getting two of them would advance "the process" exponentially. I'm looking at some rankings, and I see a bunch of players I like quite a bit. A few of them will fall, they have to. To get a guy like Mantha, Erne, Lazar, maybe even a Gauthier for the cost of a 2nd and a 3rd, after picking a Domi or Pulock or Zadorov at 13? Damn, man...

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And we have one pick above where we picked Lukas Sutter...

Lowry is an anomaly in the third round. Hell, we still don't know if he is anything yet. Getting legit core guys outside of the top 20 is rare, which is why you gotta be super aggressive to get them when you have the chance. There are more than 20 'top 20 prospects' in this draft, and I think getting two of them would advance "the process" exponentially. I'm looking at some rankings, and I see a bunch of players I like quite a bit. A few of them will fall, they have to. To get a guy like Mantha, Erne, Lazar, maybe even a Gauthier for the cost of a 2nd and a 3rd, after picking a Domi or Pulock or Zadorov at 13? Damn, man...
I agree with the strategy of trying to get a couple of very good prospects, rather than hoping that one of a bunch of lower picks turns out. As you noted, Sutter is a more likely outcome than Lowry from those picks in the late 2nd and third rounds.

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What I was thinking could be an interesting possibility would be to stand pat and pick whoever we like most at 13 and use the two second rounders and possibly one more pick to get back up into the early 20's to grab another first rounder.

WPG 43, CHI 2nd, CHI 3rd for VAN's #24 maybe? For example, in one mock Burakowsy/Theodore/Morin/Erne/Fucale are available at 24 and in another Burakowsy/Theodore/Morin are. That way we come away with 2 first rounders, and at least a pick in every round from 3-7.
That's a steep price. I'm thinking our comp 2nd and Chicago's 2nd should get us in the late first. Grab Domi at 13, Mueller with that pick, and still have #43 for a McCarron maybe?

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That's a steep price. I'm thinking our comp 2nd and Chicago's 2nd should get us in the late first. Grab Domi at 13, Mueller with that pick, and still have #43 for a McCarron maybe?
Can't trade comp picks.

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That's a steep price. I'm thinking our comp 2nd and Chicago's 2nd should get us in the late first. Grab Domi at 13, Mueller with that pick, and still have #43 for a McCarron maybe?
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Can't trade comp picks.
In any case, I can't see how two late 2nd round picks would get a late 1st, especially in this draft. As I recall, in 2003 Anaheim used two early 2nd round picks to move up to grab Corey Perry late in the 1st round. But the value of a pick falls steeply from the top to the bottom of rounds 1 and 2.

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Can't trade comp picks.
Ive heard this too but it's incorrect. Montreal traded one of theirs in one of the last few drafts.

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In any case, I can't see how two late 2nd round picks would get a late 1st, especially in this draft. As I recall, in 2003 Anaheim used two early 2nd round picks to move up to grab Corey Perry late in the 1st round. But the value of a pick falls steeply from the top to the bottom of rounds 1 and 2.
Just for the sake of using previous drafts as an example of draft pick trades. I remember the Islanders trading up in 2010 with Chicago. 30th pick for 35th and 58th

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Some moving up comparibles since it's being discussed:
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2008: Maple Leafs trade pick #7, a future second-round pick, and pick #68 for pick #5
2008: Predators trade pick #9 and pick #40 for pick #7
2007: Sharks trade pick #13 and pick #44 for pick #9
2008: Kings trade pick #17 and pick #28 for pick #12
2008: Sabres trade pick #13 and a future third-round pick for pick #12
2009: Islanders trade pick #16, pick #77, and pick #182 for pick #12
2008: Senators trade pick #18 and a future third-round pick for pick #15
2010: Kings trade pick #19 and pick #59 for pick #15
2006: Sharks trade pick #20 and pick #53 for pick #16
2007: Wild trades pick #19 and pick #42 for pick #16
from http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...lue-trading-up

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Chevy better nail at least one of those 2nd round picks. 2/3 would be great. Sutter over Frk last year?


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Just for the sake of using previous drafts as an example of draft pick trades. I remember the Islanders trading up in 2010 with Chicago. 30th pick for 35th and 58th
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from http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...lue-trading-up
Thanks for the information. So it seems that one of the Jets' late seconds might be able to move them up a spot or two at the upper end end of the first round, and maybe 5 or 6 in the late 1st or early 2nd. Of course, it all depends on which players different teams are targeting, and how strongly they feel about a given player. At #13, the Jets are in the first region of a tier that seems to be fairly wide, so teams might be willing to move around in that tier. However, I think it might be quite expensive for the Jets to move up, particularly if they want to get into the 7-8 range.

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Thanks for the information. So it seems that one of the Jets' late seconds might be able to move them up a spot or two at the upper end end of the first round, and maybe 5 or 6 in the late 1st or early 2nd. Of course, it all depends on which players different teams are targeting, and how strongly they feel about a given player. At #13, the Jets are in the first region of a tier that seems to be fairly wide, so teams might be willing to move around in that tier. However, I think it might be quite expensive for the Jets to move up, particularly if they want to get into the 7-8 range.
Yea that's the challenge.....of course it depends on who falls......if the Jets have a Top 5 player from their list (lets say like Trouba from last year) who is still on the board when the 9th or 10th pick comes around they might bite? In this scenario don't hate the ducks move in 2007 (#13 and #44 for #9) but on balance the prices seem high.

Its important to remember that the draft usually doesn't go like the consensus lists. have a look at the link and look at the first 15 picks last year in the draft......that was pretty insane compared to what group think was projecting before the draft.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2012e.html

If we could bundle a package to get someone who slid (lets say a Barkov or Lindholm type) I might be interested but I think there is value in the top 90 this year. Before anyone laughs remember Forsberg and Grigs were in the top 5 most of last year and fell to 11 and 12.

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If we could bundle a package to get someone who slid (lets say a Barkov or Lindholm type) I might be interested but I think there is value in the top 90 this year. Before anyone laughs remember Forsberg and Grigs were in the top 5 most of last year and fell to 11 and 12.
Grigs was sort of expected. There was many people saying before the draft they wouldn't touch him with the 20th pick. Forsberg was unexpected(he was considered a sure fire top 5 pick). I think a better example of somebody dropping last year was then Grigs was Teuvo Teravainen

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Wow teams are dumb. I forget who posted that trade value chart a few weeks ago, but that basically showed that the difference between picks from about 23 and onward is pretty negligible. In a deeper draft like this, I can understand values shifting, but according to historical values of picks, a package of 56 and 60 is as valuable as pick number 20.

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