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04-05-2013, 02:39 PM
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That western conference one was pretty terrible

Nurse in the top five was pretty bad


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04-05-2013, 02:45 PM
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Ristolainen seems to be seriously over rated.
Would you draft Doug Murray in top 10?
I wouldn't

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04-05-2013, 03:18 PM
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Eastern Scout with some inside info ,, Look at Hawks pick



Hawks/Sens have a deal waiting for draft day already , Cant wait for the details to emerge on draft day
When it was posted yesterday before the no Monahan gaff, they had Gauthier going to the Sens, but that is pretty funny they didn't take the time to edit the who thing.

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04-05-2013, 03:56 PM
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because the teams need now is going to be the same when most of these kids turn pro in 3 years???? you cant draft on need as your needs change from year to year...you draft on BPA and the teams that dont do it are the ones that fail miserably.
It's more about my refusal to draft a defensive defenseman in the first round. But the Sharks will need more forwards in 3 years too. They're thin at young forwards in the NHL after Couture, they're very thin at forward in their system, as only Hertl and Nieto seem to realistically have a top-6 future. The Sharks are teaming with young defensemen of all shape and sizes and styles and floors. They don't need another defensemen UNLESS he has top-pairing upside.

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Sorry I did forget about Vlasic. You should be happy if SJ drafted another Vlasic though. He's a good player.

Morrissey probably won't be available at their pick.
Mueller is a safe pick and his stock is probably only going up from here.
Portland should have destroyed the Silvertips and they didn't. Mueller was a big part of that too.

The spot where Sharks will likely pick, i'd say Mueller will be one of the BPA's. I'd say Sharks need a d-man more than a foward. Boyle's a little older than Thornton, Marleau, Havlat. Then you got core guys in Couture and Pavelski.
The Sharks took a safe player Ty Wishart. Bus. Took a safe player with Petrecki. Bust. Sharks took a safe player with William Wrenn. Bust. The Sharks have a history of selecting defensive defensemen in the early rounds and they never work out, with the exception of Vlasic which was 8 years ago.

And whichever player the Sharks select at 15-20 (where they probably draft) is going to take 3 years or more to get to the NHL. At that time, Thornton and Marleau will be almost 37 year sold. Havlat probably won't be on the team. even Pavelski will be 31. The Sharks need forwards WAAAAAYY more than defensemen.

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Not a full report, but here's my blurb that I wrote for him for my draft rankings, which are yet to be published.
See, the WHL specialist has him ranked around 35.

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@thejuxteposer - Why are you referring to Mueller as a defensive defensman? He's the epitome of a two way guy. Silky smooth, high panic threshold type of guy....also disagree about you're opinion on ME Vlassic.

Just wondering where you would have taken Reinhart last year. He's the epitome of a defensive defensman IMO, and he went 4th overall.
Because 1) his offensive skills are very raw, and 2) his numbers. For a guy who plays as many minutes as Mueller does, a .5 ppg is not remotely impressive. Remember, Petrecki was supposed to have raw offensive upside. So was Wishart. Hell, Marc-Edouard Vlasic had over a PPG in the Q his 19 year old season, and he's a pure defensive defenseman with very little offensive skill.

So you disagree that Vlasic is top-pairing, and yet you want the Sharks to take Mueller? Mueller would be lucky to be Vlasic, and we don't need another guy like that.

It's funny that you call Reinhart a defense defenseman, when he put up significantly better offensive numbers in his draft year than Mueller is doing. But no, I wouldn't draft Reinhart at all. Obviously this is a hypothetical situation, but I'd trade down if he kept being the "BPA". Nick Petrecki was supposed to be a top-10 pick in 2007. He was ranked above guys like Shattenkirk and McDonagh. Sharks fans rioted when they selected Logan Couture at #9, and rejoiced when they selected Nick Petrecki at #27. One of those picks worked out.

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Ristolainen seems to be seriously over rated.
Would you draft Doug Murray in top 10?
I wouldn't
Ristolainen is nowhere near the same player as Douglas Murray. Risto has significant offensive upside and skating ability. Murray can't skate for his life and has absolutely no offensive skills to speak of.

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04-05-2013, 03:58 PM
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Ristolainen is nowhere near the same player as Douglas Murray. Risto has significant offensive upside and skating ability. Murray can't skate for his life and has absolutely no offensive skills to speak of.
He is a decent skater but he sure as hell is no PMD.

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04-05-2013, 04:00 PM
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He is a decent skater but he sure as hell is no PMD.
I didn't say offensive defensemen, but significant offensive upside in that he's more of a TWD than a SHD. Murray is a pure defensive D.

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04-05-2013, 04:03 PM
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I didn't say offensive defensemen, but significant offensive upside in that he's more of a TWD than a SHD. Murray is a pure defensive D.
I don't understand where this offencive upside of Ristolainen came from.
He has never in any level showed any offencive upside.
He is a gritty hard hitting D with some position issues.

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04-05-2013, 04:32 PM
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I don't understand where this offencive upside of Ristolainen came from.
He has never in any level showed any offencive upside.
He is a gritty hard hitting D with some position issues.
Well, agree to disagree.

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04-05-2013, 04:34 PM
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Well, agree to disagree.
How could you possibly disagree with a fact?
But ok, I guess.

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Ristolainen seems to be seriously over rated.
Would you draft Doug Murray in top 10?
I wouldn't
Douglas Murray?? That's a horrible comparison.

Ristolainen is quite a bit like Dougie Hamilton or Griffin Reinhart.

Big, physical, mobile d-man who plays well at both ends. If anything, he's better offensively than defensively.

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04-05-2013, 04:45 PM
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How could you possibly disagree with a fact?
But ok, I guess.
Nothing anyone says is a fact, everyone has their opinions.

If you think Rasmus Ristolainen is going to be a 3rd pairing d-man like Douglas Murray, then you're probably alone on that one though.

@thejuxteposer - You can't really compare Mirco Mueller to those players though. He's his own player. Some teams do tend to draft similiar players and players from specific teams/areas, but still.

He was a +3 against a team that was expected to destroy his team and for the most part they did.
He put up 31 points in only 63 games on a very struggling team.
I see him being a solid 2nd paring d-man in the NHL. At the spot where the Sharks are picking, they likely won't get a 1st line forward or top pairing d-man.

I agree their forwards are in rough shape, but I think their defense will be suffering even more. Vlasic and Burns won't be all that young and that won't be the greatest of top pairing d-men in the league.
They'll go BPA on their pick, but I can see that being Mirco Mueller.


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Zadorov is perfect for the Oilers at number 9. That would be a great pick.

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04-05-2013, 05:15 PM
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Douglas Murray?? That's a horrible comparison.

Ristolainen is quite a bit like Dougie Hamilton or Griffin Reinhart.

Big, physical, mobile d-man who plays well at both ends. If anything, he's better offensively than defensively.
Seriously. What the **** is this?
When did he ever even hinted that with his play?

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I don't understand where this offencive upside of Ristolainen came from.
He has never in any level showed any offencive upside.
He is a gritty hard hitting D with some position issues.
I hope all the teams drafting ahead of the Leafs feel the same way you do

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@thejuxteposer - You can't really compare Mirco Mueller to those players though. He's his own player. Some teams do tend to draft similiar players and players from specific teams/areas, but still.

He was a +3 against a team that was expected to destroy his team and for the most part they did.
He put up 31 points in only 63 games on a very struggling team.
I see him being a solid 2nd paring d-man in the NHL. At the spot where the Sharks are picking, they likely won't get a 1st line forward or top pairing d-man.

I agree their forwards are in rough shape, but I think their defense will be suffering even more. Vlasic and Burns won't be all that young and that won't be the greatest of top pairing d-men in the league.
They'll go BPA on their pick, but I can see that being Mirco Mueller.
Obviously Mueller is a different player than Wishart and Petrecki. But I'm just trying to explain that the Sharks org has signficant reasons not to draft Mueller.

Of course the Sharks probably aren't going to get a top-pairing defenseman at 15-20. That's why they should go for a forward. I'd rather a 2nd line forward than a 2nd pairing D, you get me?

I'm sorry it's had to come to this, but you don't seem to know a thing about the Sharks organization. Vlasic has just turned 26 a month ago. Burns just turned 28 about 6 weeks ago. Those guys are our top-pairing for the next 5 years. Jason Demers, Justin Braun, Matt Irwin, Matt Tennyson, Konrad Abeltshauser, Sena Acolatse, Dylan Demelo. All guys who project to be bottom-4 defensemen. WE DO NOT NEED BOTTOM-4 DEFENSEMEN. MUELLER PROJECTS TO BE A BOTTOM-4 DEFENSEMEN. WE DO NOT NEED HIM. Comprendes?

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Obviously Mueller is a different player than Wishart and Petrecki. But I'm just trying to explain that the Sharks org has signficant reasons not to draft Mueller.

Of course the Sharks probably aren't going to get a top-pairing defenseman at 15-20. That's why they should go for a forward. I'd rather a 2nd line forward than a 2nd pairing D, you get me?

I'm sorry it's had to come to this, but you don't seem to know a thing about the Sharks organization. Vlasic has just turned 26 a month ago. Burns just turned 28 about 6 weeks ago. Those guys are our top-pairing for the next 5 years. Jason Demers, Justin Braun, Matt Irwin, Matt Tennyson, Konrad Abeltshauser, Sena Acolatse, Dylan Demelo. All guys who project to be bottom-4 defensemen. WE DO NOT NEED BOTTOM-4 DEFENSEMEN. MUELLER PROJECTS TO BE A BOTTOM-4 DEFENSEMEN.WE DO NOT NEED HIM. Comprendes?
Nothing wrong with having depth on the blueline.

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Nothing wrong with having depth on the blueline.
There's a lot wrong with drafting Mirco Mueller in the mid-first round when you need a forward desperately.

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I feel Jones is the run away #1, for some reason Im not that high on Mackinnon. Drouin is very good to but Id pick Barkov over both (this comment will probaly look dumb in 5 years).

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I hope all the teams drafting ahead of the Leafs feel the same way you do
Yeah, well you'll be getting a reckless body snatcher.
It's not necessarely a bad thing. But I don't think toughness is something the Leafs would be after.

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Zadorov is perfect for the Oilers at number 9. That would be a great pick.
I guess a Pavel Kubina type would be decent.

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Avs will be 5th pick? What?

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I don't care if it was just a 'mistake' that Monahan was missed.

How does someone expect to be taken seriously when they make a mistake like that? Let alone the fact that the standings are a month old.
Agreed. Might as well go by the handle "Fraud", than "Eastern Conference Scout"...

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Poor Edmonton is making a run and won't get a chance to easily finish their rebuild with Jones. I think it all depends on who's picking first. Jones smells of a player that can dominate juniors because of his size. Might be a regrettable pick at #1.
I would tend to agree if Jones didn't skate so well. That said, personally, I still go Nathan MacKinnon before Jones, but that's just me. And like I said before, it would really depend on the team making the first pick.

I also have a feeling that COL and DAL will overpay extremely to take Jones, so there's always that, too. So one thing is for sure, imo, he will be the most discussed player leading up to the draft.

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That western conference one was pretty terrible

Nurse in the top five was pretty bad
I disagree, as of right now, he's easily a 4-8 pick, imo, especially when Jones goes off the board at 1 or 2.

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Too many people like MacKinnon because of his 15 year old hype "OMG NOVA SCOTIA! SHATTUCKS ST. MARY'S!! CROSBY!!!!!!!!!!"

If I'm picking 1st I'm grabbing Jones. If I'm picking 2nd I'm grabbing Drouin. Kid's been the better player this year.

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