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04-12-2013, 01:13 PM
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Carly's said the results first two days were inconclusive but it's confirmed now. http://m.thestar.com/?content=96c539...ion=sportsnews Don't see anywhere were it says he can take hits? Too bad really, who knows how long it will take to return, his 3rd in his career but 1st in 5 years. Good news is playoffs don't start until 3 weeks, don't know if hell be ready by then but that's a long time to rest, rehab, and shake the symptoms away.
Lol, he'll be ready by then. The severity of this concussion is being depicted right before our eyes. He was out and about just days after the incident, now he's even practicing and taking part in scrimmages. I am guessing these are simply precautionary measures.

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Few if any people were saying he didn't have a concision. All we were saying is we on this board were neither qualified nor had enough information to diagnose his injury.

The fact that he did in fact suffer a concussion doesn't make that any less true.

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04-12-2013, 01:51 PM
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Toronto Maple Leafs forward Mikhail Grabovski missed only one game last season and it appears that he was lucky not to miss more as the forward admits he may have suffered a concussion after being hit by Zdeno Chara in a game against Boston on Feb. 15.

In an interview with Dmitry Chesnokov from Yahoo! Sports this week, Grabovski spoke about the injury.

"Well, I think I had a mild concussion," he told Chesnokov. "But I recovered pretty quickly. And now I am feeling absolutely fine."

At the time of the incident, the Maple Leafs stated that Grabovski did not suffer a concussion after twice being hit into the end boards by Chara in a game Toronto won 4-3.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=375014

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04-13-2013, 12:26 PM
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Every time you see a player crushed with a hit right to the head, then wobbling all over the place and barely able to stand as he makes his way to the bench, it's a concussion. Teams always try to BS and play it off as "just some whiplash," "an upper body injury," or "getting your bell wrung," but that's a load of crap. If a hit to the head causes your legs to go all wobbly well after the hit, that's because you just sustained AT LEAST a minor brain injury.

Doesn't mean it's a BAD concussion, sometimes players can come back quickly (and more often, they come back quickly when they really shouldn't), but it's still a concussion. Whiplash is a neck injury, it causes neck pain and headaches, it doesn't take away your ability to stand upright. "Getting your bell wrung" is just hockey-BS-speak for "minor concussion."

Anyways, hope Lupul is fine, hope he heals quickly, but I also hope they don't rush him back before he's ready. If Leafs coaching/medical staff are willing to ignore an obvious concussion and try to write it off as something else, I do worry that they'll be willing to ignore more subtle signs that Lupul isn't truly 100% in an effort to rush him back to the ice.


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04-13-2013, 12:57 PM
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Every time you see a player crushed with a hit right to the head, then wobbling all over the place and barely able to stand as he makes his way to the bench, it's a concussion. Teams always try to BS and play it off as "just some whiplash," "an upper body injury," or "getting your bell wrung," but that's a load of crap. If a hit to the head causes your legs to go all wobbly well after the hit, that's because you just sustained AT LEAST a minor brain injury.

Doesn't mean it's a BAD concussion, sometimes players can come back quickly (and more often, they come back quickly when they really shouldn't), but it's still a concussion. Whiplash is a neck injury, it causes neck pain and headaches, it doesn't take away your ability to stand upright. "Getting your bell wrung" is just hockey-BS-speak for "minor concussion."

Anyways, hope Lupul is fine, hope he heals quickly, but I also hope they don't rush him back before he's ready. If Leafs coaching/medical staff are willing to ignore an obvious concussion and try to write it off as something else, I do worry that they'll be willing to ignore more subtle signs that Lupul isn't truly 100% in an effort to rush him back to the ice.
Im no expert, but I have seen this happen to numerous boxers and MMA fighters.

None of them reported a concussion and they continued to fight in their respective sports without any signs of injury.

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04-13-2013, 01:02 PM
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Few if any people were saying he didn't have a concision. All we were saying is we on this board were neither qualified nor had enough information to diagnose his injury.

The fact that he did in fact suffer a concussion doesn't make that any less true.
Either that; or guessing towards the severity of injuries; then being correct a single time... makes him a qualified doctor.

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That he had a concussion? Really went out on a limb there didn't you.

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You really needed an incredible level of observational skill, to correctly ascertain Lupul suffered a concussion on the play. Personally, I thought it was his femur.


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Now non-contact?? I thought he was okay with contact lol.

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Im no expert, but I have seen this happen to numerous boxers and MMA fighters.

None of them reported a concussion and they continued to fight in their respective sports without any signs of injury.

Most fighters also have issues later in life with brain injuries, a definite result to getting beat in the head for a living. A shot to the head is never a good thing for your health, even if you can shake it off right away.

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Im no expert, but I have seen this happen to numerous boxers and MMA fighters.

None of them reported a concussion and they continued to fight in their respective sports without any signs of injury.
This is the closest thing you'll get to a universally accepted definition of a concussion:

"Temporary impairment of neurological function that heals by itself within time."

Any mild brain injury that impairs neurological function is a concussion, and you could see pretty clearly by Lupul's inability to stand/balance that his brain wasn't working properly. Most concussions are minor, most of them heal quickly without career altering long-term effects, but they're still concussions. When those boxers/MMA fighters get rocked in the head, and can't stand up afterwards, they just suffered a concussion, regardless of how severe that concussion was. For some reason in the sports world people are afraid of labelling anything but the most severe concussions as concussions, when someone receives a mild concussion it's always "he didn't get concussed, he just got his bell wrung, we swear! We're totally not just saying this so we can get him back in the game ASAP without any media scrutiny!"

If you get rocked in the head, but show absolutely no symptoms indicating any kind of neurological impairment, you got lucky and likely escaped without a concussion. But if you get rocked in the head and can't stand properly or think clearly afterwards, you just got concussed. The sports world skirting around the term is like labelling prostate cancer "just a little prostate problem, not cancer!" simply because it's less likely to kill you than many other forms of cancer. Prostate cancer is still cancer, just as mild concussions are still concussions.

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This is the closest thing you'll get to a universally accepted definition of a concussion:

"Temporary impairment of neurological function that heals by itself within time."

Any mild brain injury that impairs neurological function is a concussion, and you could see pretty clearly by Lupul's inability to stand/balance that his brain wasn't working properly. Most concussions are minor, most of them heal quickly without career altering long-term effects, but they're still concussions. When those boxers/MMA fighters get rocked in the head, and can't stand up afterwards, they just suffered a concussion, regardless of how severe that concussion was. For some reason in the sports world people are afraid of labelling anything but the most severe concussions as concussions, when someone receives a mild concussion it's always "he didn't get concussed, he just got his bell wrung, we swear! We're totally not just saying this so we can get him back in the game ASAP without any media scrutiny!"

If you get rocked in the head, but show absolutely no symptoms indicating any kind of neurological impairment, you got lucky and likely escaped without a concussion. But if you get rocked in the head and can't stand properly or think clearly afterwards, you just got concussed. The sports world skirting around the term is like labelling prostate cancer "just a little prostate problem, not cancer!" simply because it's less likely to kill you than many other forms of cancer. Prostate cancer is still cancer, just as mild concussions are still concussions.
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This is the closest thing you'll get to a universally accepted definition of a concussion:

"Temporary impairment of neurological function that heals by itself within time."

Any mild brain injury that impairs neurological function is a concussion, and you could see pretty clearly by Lupul's inability to stand/balance that his brain wasn't working properly. Most concussions are minor, most of them heal quickly without career altering long-term effects, but they're still concussions. When those boxers/MMA fighters get rocked in the head, and can't stand up afterwards, they just suffered a concussion, regardless of how severe that concussion was. For some reason in the sports world people are afraid of labelling anything but the most severe concussions as concussions, when someone receives a mild concussion it's always "he didn't get concussed, he just got his bell wrung, we swear! We're totally not just saying this so we can get him back in the game ASAP without any media scrutiny!"

If you get rocked in the head, but show absolutely no symptoms indicating any kind of neurological impairment, you got lucky and likely escaped without a concussion. But if you get rocked in the head and can't stand properly or think clearly afterwards, you just got concussed. The sports world skirting around the term is like labelling prostate cancer "just a little prostate problem, not cancer!" simply because it's less likely to kill you than many other forms of cancer. Prostate cancer is still cancer, just as mild concussions are still concussions.
So would you like them to just say everyone has a concussion and treat them as such or would you prefer they keep investigating to make sure they know the issue so they can treat that? We've already seen it happen multuiple times. Reimer, Staal, Crosby, etc. I'm not sure what the pressing need is for an immediate diagnosis? Does it make a lick of difference? I'd prefer they get it right and treat the person accordingly. As long as that happens, why care whether they say "it is a concussion" or "we aren't sure yet"?

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So would you like them to just say everyone has a concussion and treat them as such or would you prefer they keep investigating to make sure they know the issue so they can treat that? We've already seen it happen multuiple times. Reimer, Staal, Crosby, etc. I'm not sure what the pressing need is for an immediate diagnosis? Does it make a lick of difference? I'd prefer they get it right and treat the person accordingly. As long as that happens, why care whether they say "it is a concussion" or "we aren't sure yet"?
Your point makes no sense. The issue with Crosby and Reimer was that they came back too early without a concussion diagnosis and because of that they got hurt again, so how would they have been hurt by having a concussion diagnosed?

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This is the closest thing you'll get to a universally accepted definition of a concussion:

"Temporary impairment of neurological function that heals by itself within time."

Any mild brain injury that impairs neurological function is a concussion, and you could see pretty clearly by Lupul's inability to stand/balance that his brain wasn't working properly. Most concussions are minor, most of them heal quickly without career altering long-term effects, but they're still concussions. When those boxers/MMA fighters get rocked in the head, and can't stand up afterwards, they just suffered a concussion, regardless of how severe that concussion was. For some reason in the sports world people are afraid of labelling anything but the most severe concussions as concussions, when someone receives a mild concussion it's always "he didn't get concussed, he just got his bell wrung, we swear! We're totally not just saying this so we can get him back in the game ASAP without any media scrutiny!"

If you get rocked in the head, but show absolutely no symptoms indicating any kind of neurological impairment, you got lucky and likely escaped without a concussion. But if you get rocked in the head and can't stand properly or think clearly afterwards, you just got concussed. The sports world skirting around the term is like labelling prostate cancer "just a little prostate problem, not cancer!" simply because it's less likely to kill you than many other forms of cancer. Prostate cancer is still cancer, just as mild concussions are still concussions.
Thanks for clearing that up.

Hopefully Lupul heals quick and can get back in the line up for playoffs.

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Your point makes no sense. The issue with Crosby and Reimer was that they came back too early without a concussion diagnosis and because of that they got hurt again, so how would they have been hurt by having a concussion diagnosed?
His posts seem to suggest that there is a grand conspiracy theory to avoid the dreaded "concussion" word when reality has shown multiple times that some players have neck problems.

Reimer's initial diagnosis was a problem with his neck, the exact same as his specialist diagnosis. You're the first person I've heard suggest he was "hurt a second time with a different injury".

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Carlyle says Lupul is now cleared for contact. No word yet on when he will return

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Carlyle says Lupul is now cleared for contact. No word yet on when he will return
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Carlyle says Lupul is now cleared for contact. No word yet on when he will return
That in itself should be all we care about. The team is producing, so there's no need for Lupul to rush it. Would be nice if he gets eased into a couple games when he's able so he'll be playoff ready.

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Carlyle says Lupul is now cleared for contact. No word yet on when he will return
That's good news but I'll still wait until he's wearing a regular jersey in practice. In the last media scrum Lupul had at practice, a reporter said that Carlyle said that Lupul was cleared for contact even though he was wearing a non-contact jersey at practice and Lupul laughed and confirmed that he was NOT cleared for contact.

Hopefully Carlyle is being legit right now. Lupul says he's been feeling good on ice. Hopefully we get him back soon and hopefully he can remain healthy (and no suspensions) until the Leafs have finished playing hockey for the year.

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are you sure? Carlyle had said that before as well that since Lupul is taking part in full practice he is cleared for full contact. And then later on in the interview Lupul said he was not cleared for full contact.

what is going on really?

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