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05-04-2013, 06:07 PM
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Consensus for once!

MG has stated to the press that he would like to choose one goalie per draft, but last draft was the first time he did not draft one. Will he draft one this time?

Also not well known, Corbiel was called up as part of the black aces. Likely so they can have an even number of 4 goalies. He doesn't have a contract with the Canucks, neither does Honzik. Does this reflect how the Canucks view Honzik?

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05-04-2013, 07:12 PM
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Lazar/Erne/Gauthier with our first.


Players I would like to Pick up in 3rd round and Beyond

WHL:
Jared Hauf
Mitchell Wheaton
Mason Geertsen

OHL
Nick Moutrey

QMJHL
Yan Pavel Laplante

USHL
Michael McCarron
Jon Hayden
Hudson Fasching

Europe:
Peter Cehlárik
Lucas Wallmark
Tobias Liljendahl
Saku Salminen
Amil Krupic
Andrei Mironov

If Myles Bell goes undrafted, we should def sign him if we can?

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Consensus for once!

MG has stated to the press that he would like to choose one goalie per draft, but last draft was the first time he did not draft one. Will he draft one this time?

Also not well known, Corbiel was called up as part of the black aces. Likely so they can have an even number of 4 goalies. He doesn't have a contract with the Canucks, neither does Honzik. Does this reflect how the Canucks view Honzik?
haha damn that's a good catch. yeah, id be surprised if they re-signed honzik

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05-04-2013, 10:47 PM
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I've really warmed up to Valentin Zykov. Although it seems everyone else has too, given that he's been rising steadily in the draft rankings.

There are a lot of guys that I really like, and one of them should be available, but if not, I think we should strongly consider trading our 1st.

Here's the guys I would want us to pick if they're there(including everyone just for simplicities sake, not really in order)

Jones
Mackinnon
Drouin
Barkov
Lindholm
Monahan
Nichushkin
Shinkaruk
Ristolainen
Nurse
Pulock
Domi
Mantha
Zadorov
Morrissey
Lazar
Wennberg
Zykov

And I'd be on the fence for: Gauthier, Rychel, Theodore, Hagg, Horvat, and Erne

In the unlikely event none of these guys are available, I'd want us to move our pick, either to trade down or in a package for a young roster player


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I know you don't like Erne much, but him and Horvat, i think belong in on that top list. I don't really want to trade down this time around and select more project type players. We need a grade A prospect who has a good chance to make it to the NHL within the next two years as the turnover begins.

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Omg, this is crazy. Someone on YT is stealing parts of my prospect videos and passing it off as their own. And then i followed their links and the owner of the channel is a Mod on HF... I feel so used/violated and I am livid since i spent so many hours on this. I've taken down my last 6 videos. I'm going to redo them with a watermark and music. He is stealing all of the ones without music, so you guys are going to have to live with music on every subsequent video!

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05-05-2013, 12:55 PM
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I know you don't like Erne much, but him and Horvat, i think belong in on that top list. I don't really want to trade down this time around and select more project type players. We need a grade A prospect who has a good chance to make it to the NHL within the next two years as the turnover begins.

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Omg, this is crazy. Someone on YT is stealing parts of my prospect videos and passing it off as their own. And then i followed their links and the owner of the channel is a Mod on HF... I feel so used/violated and I am livid since i spent so many hours on this. I've taken down my last 6 videos. I'm going to redo them with a watermark and music. He is stealing all of the ones without music, so you guys are going to have to live with music on every subsequent video!
That is such BS Feebs...if only HF had actual talent.

In terms of the draft it just feels like 2008 (maybe even 2003) that there is going to be an Eberle-type talent in 20-26. That's pretty exciting.

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I know you don't like Erne much, but him and Horvat, i think belong in on that top list. I don't really want to trade down this time around and select more project type players. We need a grade A prospect who has a good chance to make it to the NHL within the next two years as the turnover begins.

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Omg, this is crazy. Someone on YT is stealing parts of my prospect videos and passing it off as their own. And then i followed their links and the owner of the channel is a Mod on HF... I feel so used/violated and I am livid since i spent so many hours on this. I've taken down my last 6 videos. I'm going to redo them with a watermark and music. He is stealing all of the ones without music, so you guys are going to have to live with music on every subsequent video!
That sucks. What mod?

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05-05-2013, 05:17 PM
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That sucks. What mod?
Probably shouldn't name names before we get it settled.

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Moving onwards, did you end up watching Zykov on Sportsnet? Might have to move to digital TV to get SN One next season! Still haven't really seen him much this year, would be interested in your take. He sounds like a great player.

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Probably shouldn't name names before we get it settled.

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Moving onwards, did you end up watching Zykov on Sportsnet? Might have to move to digital TV to get SN One next season! Still haven't really seen him much this year, would be interested in your take. He sounds like a great player.
I did watch him.

It was a bit of a strange game.

He is good in the offensive zone, he moves to space quite well. Looks to have a quite large frame for a 6'0" guy.

Hard shot, but missed wide on a really good chance on the PP.

He's not scared of anything. Good edges on his wrap around attempts goes to the crease and stops (no fly byes).

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so you guys are going to have to live with music on every subsequent video!
your music choice is good but please dont succumb to this just make the watermark unavoidable

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He is good in the offensive zone, he moves to space quite well. Looks to have a quite large frame for a 6'0" guy.
Listed at 6'1" and 215lbs on the Q website. That's almost as big as Gaunce. IMO he projects really well to the NHL.

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05-06-2013, 02:34 AM
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Well boys let's start cheering for the other underdogs! What's the situation with picks? Do the 8 losers of round 1 go in order of regular season standing? Or do they wait and put the 12 losers of the first 2 rounds in order?

If it is only hte 8 losers from round 1, the Canucks are guaranteed one team that's better then them losing in LA or STL, then hopefully MTL and BOS get upset as well, we could be looking at a 19th ov pick!

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Listed at 6'1" and 215lbs on the Q website. That's almost as big as Gaunce. IMO he projects really well to the NHL.
Why does no one want Adam Tambelini? I would think a local player, with his size and skill level, would be more popular. Hmmm. Lucic? Gallaghar? Weber? Seabrook? etc.

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Why does no one want Adam Tambelini? I would think a local player, with his size and skill level, would be more popular. Hmmm. Lucic? Gallaghar? Weber? Seabrook? etc.
Because he's not a 1st round pick and we don't have a 2nd.

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Because he's not a 1st round pick and we don't have a 2nd.
Maybe, he should be a first round pick? Why do the Canucks continue to overlook the players, who are local? Is there a scouting issue? And why is there no second pick? Oh that's right. It was foolishly traded for a player, who is a softy, when Schroeder could have played that role.

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Maybe, he should be a first round pick? Why do the Canucks continue to overlook the players, who are local? Is there a scouting issue? And why is there no second pick? Oh that's right. It was foolishly traded for a player, who is a softy, when Schroeder could have played that role.
Because being local isn't some intangible stat that moves a player up in the rankings maybe? If he's good enough to take, then take him but it should have 0% to do with being local. Oh look you can name a few local guys who turned into NHL players, how nice. How about take a look at how many local players DON'T pan out as well. Yep, it's a pretty long list too ...

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Maybe, he should be a first round pick? Why do the Canucks continue to overlook the players, who are local? Is there a scouting issue? And why is there no second pick? Oh that's right. It was foolishly traded for a player, who is a softy, when Schroeder could have played that role.
His brother was a first round selection and a local boy and he's not even in the NHL anymore. You pick the best player possible based on your needs. You have to like Adam's size compared to Jeff's though.


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Because being local isn't some intangible stat that moves a player up in the rankings maybe? If he's good enough to take, then take him but it should have 0% to do with being local. Oh look you can name a few local guys who turned into NHL players, how nice. How about take a look at how many local players DON'T pan out as well. Yep, it's a pretty long list too ...
To take it further, every single team scouts every single league and none of these players are hidden gems. Most teams passed on Gallagher 5 times before the Canadiens finally picked him. If they were sure he was going to be such a stud, he would've gone in the 1st.

Bringing up a bunch of local gems is really no different than bringing up a bunch of gems drafted out of the OHL. Canucks had the same chance to draft any of them.

Also, drafting Frankie Corrado in the 5th round is likely no less of a steal than Gallagher a year earlier in the 5th.

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To take it further, every single team scouts every single league and none of these players are hidden gems. Most teams passed on Gallagher 5 times before the Canadiens finally picked him. If they were sure he was going to be such a stud, he would've gone in the 1st.

Bringing up a bunch of local gems is really no different than bringing up a bunch of gems drafted out of the OHL. Canucks had the same chance to draft any of them.

Also, drafting Frankie Corrado in the 5th round is likely no less of a steal than Gallagher a year earlier in the 5th.
We definitely need to target players like Gallagher though.

He's basically Kesler in a 5'8" body. Cares, competes, doesn't quit.

Canucks need highly competitive players, with high hockey sense. That is what I want to build around. There has to be shift in mentality with this team.

Needs more Kesler, Bieksa, and Burrows and less Mason Raymond, Dan "I always look like I'm sad" Hamhuis.

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Needs more Kesler, Bieksa, and Burrows and less Mason Raymond, Dan "I always look like I'm sad" Hamhuis.
I don't know why you keep putting Bieksa in that group. Bad player that's costing this team games. I don't care how much he can scowl if he just ****s up all the time. Whereas this is the first down season for Hamhuis and he was excellent prior to that.

I don't buy that being moody and scowling has anything to do with winning games. Sedins work just as hard and have been more important to our winning than Kesler.

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I don't know why you keep putting Bieksa in that group. Bad player that's costing this team games. I don't care how much he can scowl if he just ****s up all the time. Whereas this is the first down season for Hamhuis and he was excellent prior to that.

I don't buy that being moody and scowling has anything to do with winning games. Sedins work just as hard and have been more important to our winning than Kesler.
Not really draft thread conversation so I won't continue it here, but I call BS on the Kesler thing. I'm pretty sure you know my position on the Twins by now, and without him we don't even make the finals in 2011.
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We definitely need to target players like Gallagher though.

He's basically Kesler in a 5'8" body. Cares, competes, doesn't quit.

Canucks need highly competitive players, with high hockey sense. That is what I want to build around. There has to be shift in mentality with this team.

Needs more Kesler, Bieksa, and Burrows and less Mason Raymond, Dan "I always look like I'm sad" Hamhuis.
With you I'm in 100% agreement. The Canucks should only draft a player if he has that hyper-compete level. My issue is with the team overlooking the local players. (Local to me is Wester Canada, specifically the WHL) I don't think they have drafted more than 1 or 2 guys from the WHL in the last 5 years. Where did Smyl and Linden come from? Whomever their western scout is, he needs to have a stronger voice.

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Listed at 6'1" and 215lbs on the Q website. That's almost as big as Gaunce. IMO he projects really well to the NHL.
He looks smaller than Gaunce, but broader through the chest...a stockier player, with the low center of gravity.

I like him.

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He looks smaller than Gaunce, but broader through the chest...a stockier player, with the low center of gravity.

I like him.
Yup, stocky guys who compete. That's the ticket.

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With you I'm in 100% agreement. The Canucks should only draft a player if he has that hyper-compete level. My issue is with the team overlooking the local players. (Local to me is Wester Canada, specifically the WHL) I don't think they have drafted more than 1 or 2 guys from the WHL in the last 5 years. Where did Smyl and Linden come from? Whomever their western scout is, he needs to have a stronger voice.


I also agree, I'll take the guy with a little less talent and supposed upside that will do anything to win over the talented prospect that doesn't have as much competitiveness and drive to win.

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